Main points from today anyone?

[Yetiyoga]

Can someone give any info on what was said today? I don't know what to believe with media. I missed it

@Viviennemary

Something our chief Medical officer said was just for you:

“You cannot in an epidemic just take your own risk, unfortunately you’re taking a risk on behalf of everybody else. It’s important that we see this as something that we have to do collectively”

How can he make it any clearer?
It’s not up to you to make your own decisions about how to behave in this pandemic.

I don't think they will ever allow informal childcare as they know children are a risk of transmission for adults. Only they can't say that as they have to keep schools open to keep their fucking economy going.

Mums end up the losers from all of this, in pretty much every way. Losing help with childcare. Losing their jobs because coronavirus testing takes 8 days (or 14 days isolation if you can't get a test). Losing their health or lives -- rise in women in their 20s to 40s being admitted to hospital with Covid, coincidentally following the return to schools of children in full classes and with no masks or additional budget for school adaptations to ventilation or cleaning. TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL OF COURSE DUDES [whistles]

Decisions are being made by a bunch of dickheads who are so male and able to relinquish responsibility for their children (hello Boris!) that they genuinely have no clue that children get coughs and fevers every autumn and that testing numbers will increase.

Dickheads! Sexist dickheads who don't care about anyone except themselves!

@MotherOfDragonite

I don't think they will ever allow informal childcare as they know children are a risk of transmission for adults. Only they can't say that as they have to keep schools open to keep their fucking economy going.

Mums end up the losers from all of this, in pretty much every way. Losing help with childcare. Losing their jobs because coronavirus testing takes 8 days (or 14 days isolation if you can't get a test). Losing their health or lives -- rise in women in their 20s to 40s being admitted to hospital with Covid, coincidentally following the return to schools of children in full classes and with no masks or additional budget for school adaptations to ventilation or cleaning. TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL OF COURSE DUDES [whistles]

Decisions are being made by a bunch of dickheads who are so male and able to relinquish responsibility for their children (hello Boris!) that they genuinely have no clue that children get coughs and fevers every autumn and that testing numbers will increase.

Dickheads! Sexist dickheads who don't care about anyone except themselves!

This x 100. But a bit of sympathy for BJ as the poor guy is struggling to keep up with child maintenance on his £150k salary. 🙄

I would like a world as much like the old normal as we can achieve, I'd like to be able to socialise, go on holiday, shop without a mask etc etc. We can only do these things again if we are all ultra carefull. If we don't follow the rules we will eventually have mega job losses, extra taxes for those of us who work and no prospect of a "normal " life until there is a vaccine. I really have no time for those people who say they will carry on meeting up etc. regardless. Whatever rules you have it is possible to pick them apart. I know the exclusion of grouse shooting is ridiculous but come on, how much of it is there?

I work in care, it was awful enough in April and May, I don't want a repeat, I d;on't want any more ridiculous clapping virtue signalling when the truth is the people who say they appreciate us are too mean to put their hands in their pockets and donate a little for the care staff to have a few extras to cheer them up. If I wasn't on three months notice I'd probably go now. WE had and some deaths in our community service last time, not brought into people's houses by their carers but by their families who insisted on going skiing and not keeping out of the way on their return, arranging family meetings at their parents houses and were ill themselves but lied about it.
No bravado, please just stick to the rules a little bit longer.

@diggadoo can you let us know when you are holding your next briefing? I am not going to bother with official ones now we have you.

My favourite bit was the end where they both sat there looking like they a couple of NC brothers who had been forced to sit at the same table for a family wedding but all the other guests had nipped out for a fag leaving them in an awkward silence.

No. I will be seeing family who live nearby. Which isn't many. And a few friends. No gatherings. No public transport if I can help it. Will eat out occasionally.

@MoaningMurlock

Just had a message from the school saying that our council is advising parents wear masks at drop off and pick up as social distancing is often not possible.

Errr what’s the point?

If Mrs Smith has COVID, then her dc probably will have it. My dc have been licking Mrs Smith’s dc all day.

If Mrs Smith has Covid, I’m probably getting it. And standing a few feet from her in the playground wearing a mask isn’t going to make a blind but of difference once I’ve hugged/kissed my own dc.

They are still pretending that children can't transmit coronavirus.

Although this case from the US shows that a single child can infect 30 other children which has also led to 32 adult cases! www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/coronavirus-outbreaks-hit-13-sonoma-county-child-care-centers/?sba=AAS

"The infections involve 25 children, mostly age 6 and younger, 27 of their family members and 10 workers at the preschools."

But of course it's safe for our snotty DC to lick each other in an unventilated classroom all week.

This idea that we “allow“ the vulnerable to shield and the rest of us get on with it is asinine. We are talking about people who fall into a wide spectrum. But even at the extreme we mean people who are old, or frail, or sick, or any combination of all three.

These people regularly need access, in person, to health and care workers in the millions.

Do we ask all the HSC workers to isolate as well or do we deny the vulnerable health and social care. Because in March, the people in care homes weren’t down the pub or gym. Being shielded wasn’t a solution for them. They are vulnerable to their condition and to other people. Whom they cannot avoid.

Are they saying that those with antibodies have definite immunity (the 8%)?

Do you reckon they'll close schools?

Everyone in this country must follow the rules. Everyone.

This virus is not going away unless we do.

I am beside myself at the 'I'm not going to do that, Brigade'.

Ffs. Listen to the experts.

It will all be as the experts said if we don't.

Just wise up non followers and moaners of the rules

Hope they will keep support bubbles allowed for single parents / people living alone

Hope we can still bubble - I live alone

To follow. There is no excuse. Yes we all like our comfy lifestyles but times have changed.

@LesLavandes

Everyone in this country must follow the rules. Everyone.

This virus is not going away unless we do.

I am beside myself at the 'I'm not going to do that, Brigade'.

Ffs. Listen to the experts.

It will all be as the experts said if we don't.

Just wise up non followers and moaners of the rules

The virus is not 'going away' whether or not we follow the rules - it will be much better under control if we do, and that is a very good thing, but it's exactly the fact that hopes were raised that this would 'go away' after a short difficult period that has led to so much compliance fatigue setting in now that it's clear that hasn't happened.

It should be the mim contact you need in an average week to do the essentials. No one needs to go to the pub, I’m sorry about the jobs but it’s true. Grandparents who can’t look after kids after school in areas of lockdown .. unless you take them to the pub to mix with many others. Seriously?

@Yetiyoga

Can someone give any info on what was said today? I don't know what to believe with media. I missed it

I don't know what to believe with media so I will just ask random strangers on the internet. Why don't you go and ask a passer by then for any news of the virus? Like they used to in 1600. Or watch it on iPlayer

@MissPoldark

And from Whitty, which is what so many people constantly fail to realise/understand:

“You cannot in an epidemic just take your own risk, unfortunately you’re taking a risk on behalf of everybody else. It’s important that we see this as something that we have to do collectively”

This was the most sensible thing said in the briefing.

Otherwise we’re doomed.

@LesLavandes I would hardly call family members having children whilst people work a ‘comfy lifestyle’!

@jimmyhill

We're fucked, lads. Luckily it's up to Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock to unfuck us.

Oh heck....

My favourite bit was the end where they both sat there looking like they a couple of NC brothers who had been forced to sit at the same table for a family wedding but all the other guests had nipped out for a fag leaving them in an awkward silence

Just had a message from the school saying that our council is advising parents wear masks at drop off and pick up as social distancing is often not possible. Errr what’s the point? If Mrs Smith has COVID, then her dc probably will have it. My dc have been licking Mrs Smith’s dc all day. If Mrs Smith has Covid, I’m probably getting it. And standing a few feet from her in the playground wearing a mask isn’t going to make a blind but of difference once I’ve hugged/kissed my own dc.

Exactly

A good response to the school might be to say you'll wear a mask at drop off when your children are wearing masks in class. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

They need to do something to improve conditions in schools as a matter of urgency.

I am beside myself at the 'I'm not going to do that, Brigade'.

Exactly. People too selfish and stupid to understand the implications of their actions. And then the same people blaming the government for "too little, too late" etc. etc., like it isn't the fault of people like them who can't/won't follow rules or think beyond their own immediate wishes.

Nobody is enjoying this. People do it because they are community minded and understand the need to behave in everyone's best interests, not just their own.