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Main points from today anyone?

210 replies

Yetiyoga · 21/09/2020 11:29

Can someone give any info on what was said today? I don't know what to believe with media. I missed it

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Atalune · 21/09/2020 11:52

@diggadoo

I like what you said a lot. Can you please get a reposting job with the Beeb so you can say the immortal words “fluffing us for a bumming from Boris”

I think this sums it up perfectly.

cheninblanc · 21/09/2020 11:52

Peetasue I felt the same, they'll be a balance of economy and mental health and the virus

Beetlejuicer · 21/09/2020 11:53

200 deaths a day - How many of these could be prevented anyway? A lot of these will be in last stage life and very susceptible to any illness they pick up over winter.

Personally, I think that if you are vulnerable and want to shield then you should be supported all the way, however that may be. For the rest, personally I would say get on with it and build up more immunity in the country. We can’t have any more full lockdowns. Young people are ignoring it anyway now. Our pub was rammed yesterday and the 6 rule totally ignored.

CoffeeRunner · 21/09/2020 11:55

I’m not doubting Chris Whitt’s figures on immunity at all, but, I do wonder where they have come from since only a small minority of the popularity will have had the antibody test?

I work in a hospital where we were all encouraged to be tested. Of those I personally know who were tested (around 20), 1 came back negative (no immunity), 1 came back inconclusive & the rest came back positive (some level of immunity).

Of course immunity fades & so far as I’m aware nobody really knows yet how quickly you lose Covid immunity once you have it. But, in my experience, 8% of the U.K. as a whole does seem a lower than expected figure.

CoffeeRunner · 21/09/2020 11:55

Whitty - 🤦🏻‍♀️.

Dotinthecity · 21/09/2020 11:56

Keep washing your hands. Here's some graphs showing how it might grow (though we might be wrong), there might be a vaccine by the end of the year (we haven't got one that's been proven to work yet but hey ho, you never know your luck). Lots of people are going to have to miss out on treatments that they need for other illnesses\diseases but they're just going to have to accept that because unless you've got Covid 19, we're not really interested. More of the same really. 😐

CoffeeRunner · 21/09/2020 11:57

@Beetlejuicer I’m hearing it as 200 extra days per day due to Covid. Those who would have died this winter from other causes still will.

CoffeeRunner · 21/09/2020 11:58

Deaths not days!! Autocorrect isn’t funny any more!

CremeEggThief · 21/09/2020 11:58

Young people are ignoring it anyway now. Our pub was rammed yesterday and the 6 rule totally ignored- @Beetlejuicer

Surely this is a reason to limit hours much more than a 10 pm close then? With the best will in the world, once we've had a few drinks, social distancing and hand washing become hit and miss.
Confused

Time is of the essence here.

NastyBlouse · 21/09/2020 11:59

we're fluffing you for a big fat bumming from Boris Johnson

Well, there's a mental image I'm going to struggle to shift.

Morfin · 21/09/2020 12:00

Vallance, 'it thrives in indoor, overcrowded, unventilated places' but not one mention of schools, just a nod to businesses that are making things 'covid secure'

Beetlejuicer · 21/09/2020 12:03

@CremeEggThief

I agree on that. If you want people to behave then you have to close the pubs not restrict hours. If I was going out at 7 for a few beers with the plan to stay out until 1am, then I would just arrange to go out at 4pm instead. Same hours, same amount of drinking and probable more people in the pub due to the restrictions. Either that or just leave them open for eating and a max 2 hrs in there.

I can’t see it though. Young people will find a way. They have had enough of this and I think if I were 21 I would have felt the same.

Crockof · 21/09/2020 12:04

Some of you posters are so witty, I do wish they would let MN posters interview the politians.

HoratiotheHorsefly · 21/09/2020 12:05

@Beetlejuicer

200 deaths a day - How many of these could be prevented anyway? A lot of these will be in last stage life and very susceptible to any illness they pick up over winter.

Personally, I think that if you are vulnerable and want to shield then you should be supported all the way, however that may be. For the rest, personally I would say get on with it and build up more immunity in the country. We can’t have any more full lockdowns. Young people are ignoring it anyway now. Our pub was rammed yesterday and the 6 rule totally ignored.

Always one that lacks proper thinking.

No we can't have another full lockdown but when will people understand that the vast majority of vulnerable people work and walk amongst us every day.

They work in shops, school, supermarkets, offices, cafes, gyms. I'm sure you get the gist. So how can they've protected? Who'll do their jobs? Are you going to go and work a night shift in a supermarket so it has enough staff to cope?

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis · 21/09/2020 12:09

“The virus spreads in poorly ventilated and crowded indoor areas”.

Like hospitals.

Oh yeah and er schools? Though DD says she needs a thermal vest cos the windows are all open

MrsMaglev · 21/09/2020 12:12

@diggadoo fluffing for a big fat bumming this almost sounds appealing have you checked with number ten, see if you can write scripts for bozzles?

Hollyhead · 21/09/2020 12:12

I am willing to massively cut down interactions with other households, I am not willing to not see my parents or lose the childcare they provide. I hope they get this household mixing thing right - they need to tell people to choose just 1-3 households to mix with socially or something otherwise people just won't stick to it at all.

And I've stuck to every rule so far. I'm fast becoming of the mindset that this is just another life hazard to accept that I or loved ones may die or become disabled from, just like sepsis, car accidents, cancer, meningitis etc. etc.

Nat6999 · 21/09/2020 12:12

They said a lot yet really didn't tell us anything we didn't know. We really need to know what the next government actions will be.

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 21/09/2020 12:13

@jimmyhill

We're fucked, lads. Luckily it's up to Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock to unfuck us.
This Grin
FOJN · 21/09/2020 12:13

-stop fucking saying it's like flu, it's worse.
- 8% of the U.K. have immunity but it fades
-you can catch this more than once
- cases are rising, it's got fuck all to do with more tests so stop saying that as well.
-we'll avoid saying schools opening have contributed to the rising cases, but if you're not dense you'll work this out
-people are going to die, we can't help that.
-we're fluffing you for a big fat bumming from Boris Johnson when he announces six months of restrictions later this week.

If only diggadoo read the news Grin

lyralalala · 21/09/2020 12:13

@Beetlejuicer

200 deaths a day - How many of these could be prevented anyway? A lot of these will be in last stage life and very susceptible to any illness they pick up over winter.

Personally, I think that if you are vulnerable and want to shield then you should be supported all the way, however that may be. For the rest, personally I would say get on with it and build up more immunity in the country. We can’t have any more full lockdowns. Young people are ignoring it anyway now. Our pub was rammed yesterday and the 6 rule totally ignored.

Chris Whitty specifically made the point that only the vulnerable shielding doesn't work because non-vulnerable people getting it leads to spreads to vulnerable people

My DS is a young man of 19. Not remotely in the vulnerable group at all. However he has a part-time job in a care home. He also has a vulnerable sister. If he "gets on with it" without any care then it will lead to spread.

Vulnerable people don't, and can't, live in completely isolated places so the non-vulnerable have to play their part in protecting them.

Oaktree55 · 21/09/2020 12:16

@Orangeblossom7777 immunology is an incredibly complex area but my uneducated take is the best we can hope for from any cross reactive T Cell “immunity” is less severe symptoms. However that does not mean immunity or lack of infectiousness.

Worth remembering we have cross reactive T Cells to rabies but wouldn’t want to catch that. It’s a bit of a red herring I’m afraid as to how it affects Pandemic!

SeekingCoffee33 · 21/09/2020 12:16

I don’t think they told us anything we didn’t know. I’m not sure what the point was really

Quartz2208 · 21/09/2020 12:17

I got that basically this is now endemic and that it isnt going anywhere and that no amount of restrictions are going to help and we need to live with it.

They are hopefully (Whitty perhaps more than Vallance) that a vaccine could be coming in the start of 2021 - although that is not a complete fix

That it is going to be a tough winter and people are going to die from Covid and that given flu is around 7000-20000 in a bad season this could be worse and we need to prepare ourselves for it.

We are going to have 6 months of restrictions to stop it getting completely out of hand and that will mean balancing between the effects of the virus and the effect of the economy.

Tomorrow will basically ban anything that doesnt have some positive effect on the economy. So pretty much no household mixing

Lemons1571 · 21/09/2020 12:18

@diggadoo

“-stop fucking saying it's like flu, it's worse.

  • 8% of the U.K. have immunity but it fades
-you can catch this more than once
  • cases are rising, it's got fuck all to do with more tests so stop saying that as well.
-we'll avoid saying schools opening have contributed to the rising cases, but if you're not dense you'll work this out -people are going to die, we can't help that. -we're fluffing you for a big fat bumming from Boris Johnson when he announces six months of restrictions later this week.”

I love you a bit now. Can I make this my screensaver? Grin