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Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

340 replies

ssd · 20/09/2020 22:33

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

OP posts:
userxx · 21/09/2020 08:55

Fed up of the "wear a mask, follow the rules and it'll be over" brigade.

Yeah I wasn't convinced that my leopard print mask off eBay was really going to do the trick but hey ho, it made many people feel safer so I complied, all it does is give me a sore throat and a cough 🤷‍♂️

annabel85 · 21/09/2020 08:56

National lockdown is not fair. The areas that are behaving should not be punished due to the feckless areas that aren't.

lifestooshort123 · 21/09/2020 09:00

No trick or treating? I agree, hallelujah! Banging on strangers' doors while dressed inappropriately and begging for sweets to rot their teeth? Alternatively, gobby teens banging on doors threatening to egg the windows if they don't get money? What's to like about this trashy US import! And as for the poster who felt sorry for the poor little mites missing out - really? 😂

middleager · 21/09/2020 09:01

@annabel85

National lockdown is not fair. The areas that are behaving should not be punished due to the feckless areas that aren't.
Naughty and nice areas. Goady much?
Friendsoftheearth · 21/09/2020 09:03

I will be doing lots of things, going back to a daily walk is the one thing I can not face again.

Fannybawz · 21/09/2020 09:07

I live in a hotspot and absolutely think it should be dependent on area.

I don’t see why the whole country should be locked down when there are swathes if it with little transmission

MagpieSong · 21/09/2020 09:07

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd
Spare the guilt trips, Redolent. They don't work on people anymore. Nor do the attempts to shame people. And remember not everyone is in the UK and using the bloody NHS. And if people don't want to work for the NHS anymore, no one is forcing them to stay. 'Oh, but then who will do the job!' Why do people always think they are irreplaceable?

They are irreplaceable quite often. There’s a finite number of trained medical staff and training is long and arduous and requires specific levels of education not accessible to everyone. Some medical staff specialise and are very much needed in their field as others do not have the same levels of understanding about particular issues. We’re in Wales and have only had locum GPs since we moved here because fewer doctors want to move to our little village half way up a mountain, it seems. Possibly because less people from this area qualify for medicine as well. It would make a big difference if the only blooming locums we’ve got gave up. Equally, midwives trained in perinatal work or doctors running clinics specialising in conditions that were previously less well understood and may have required parents to travel very long distance to have children seen etc make a huge difference to care available. My bff had an op as a teen at GOSH by the ONLY doctor in Europe who could perform that procedure, his loss would have been significant. He was needed not only for patient care and treatment, but to train others in the complicated operation. Plus, at any level of any NHS worker, without someone in that job (be it kitchen staff to highly specialist researchers) the pressure mounts and the care standard falls. It isn’t as simple as there’s always someone ready to jump in at any level, be it newly qualified or highly specialist. Also, there will be pressure to stay at the moment, from your manager, from your team and from the general public. Most people would feel wracked with guilt/shame dropping out at this time, even if it was for very good reason.

If someone isn’t in the UK and using the NHS, it doesn’t really apply does it? As this was about a new lockdown, which is what the UK press and Gov had been discussing, the suggestion is many commenters would be in the UK and using the NHS and surely those who aren’t would read the comments and say ‘Ah, I don’t use the NHS, so less relevant to me’? I think it’s sad, selfish and lacking in empathy to ignore the immense pressure ALL medical staff in Covid affected countries have experienced, including those from the NHS.

WokesFromHome · 21/09/2020 09:13

I am not going to get myself into a massive tizz over a second lockdown or similar restrictions. My only concern is my DC not going to school and their education being disrupted again. Working from home, being furloughed in my own job........whatever. I'm not going to let it break me. I am not going to let it wreck my winter.

Get yourselves sorted. A winter lockdown or restricted one doesn't have to be a total head fuck. I'm not going to let this bring me down. If it happens don't spend the next 3 months depressed. I regret not doing some things during the lockdown over summer and if we are locked down again or have to stay home loads I am not going to waste that time again.

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 21/09/2020 09:15

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd
At least part of your username shows you still have a little insight left.

Dustballs · 21/09/2020 09:16

That’s a good mantra Wokes: “I am not. I am not. I am not”

AntiHop · 21/09/2020 09:16

@Dawnlassie

Until there is a vaccine then this is going to be the way we live

What if there isnt one?

@Dawnlassie there is no doubt there will be one. I've been watching dr john Campbell on YouTube which gives updates on the vaccines. Some of them are really close to being ready.
Nofty · 21/09/2020 09:22

Life is so fucking tedious and joyless like this.

WokesFromHome · 21/09/2020 09:22

That’s a good mantra Wokes: “I am not. I am not. I am not”

Oops, clearly it is not a good mantra as it is very negative.

BoJoTookMyMojo · 21/09/2020 09:24

[quote MagicSummer]@Trebore - I think your comment is rather unfair. I have an 85 year old aunt who is alert, independent and enjoys life. Would you rather she were killed off so that some 35 year old could go to the pub?[/quote]
It's not about "going to the pub" though. It's about lives ruined by the restrictions.
If I was honestly in control of that decision I'd choose her time to go rather than the 35 year old driven to suicide by the isolation, or even the 35 year olds chance to meet someone and have their own family, just like the 85 year old got to when she was younger.

starfro · 21/09/2020 09:25

Lockdowns only pause infection growth for limited periods. Unless you combine it with something (track/trace) that will limit growth after you release the lockdown it's pointless.

Given the current rise in infections, it's clear that no such system works here (nor other European countries) and the time gained from first lockdown has been wasted. The only good news is that Doctors are far better at treating Covid now, and IFR is about 0.3% and falling.

Protect the vulnerable and let it rip (in a controlled way), else we just end up with endless cycles of lockdown. Remember "flattening the curve" to ensure hospital capacity?

MiniTheMinx · 21/09/2020 09:25

Rather be at home baking cakes and walking around the fields than doing my job without a lockdown. If rates increase then my job becomes more risky. So whilst you are getting your lashes done, going to the pub or meeting your five faves for a get together my job makes me all the more likely to catch this thing. In lockdown with cases falling I feel safer. If there is no lockdown and rates start to double anything less than every 7 days I'll put myself in lockdown!

More seriously though, if we have an economy (social system) that privileges profit (accumulation of surplus value) over the lives of those that create the surplus value for the exploiting bastards at the top (the very same people Bojo works for) and not a social system that supports human life, then its a deeply flawed and unethical system. While I accept that the government is in the unenviable position of having to balance economic consequences against the consequences of putting economics over human life, I can't say I'm particularly sympathetic because their actions are those of self interest.

So, to go back to my point....I am a key worker (God I hate it, lucky me I'll mingle all day long for bread), and lockdown or not I'll be expected to work in a job that creates real social value to society because its mopping up the mess created by that same society. And I will be doing something this government have sought to stop even without lockdown, going into private homes. I can not distance, and the persons I visit are far more unpredictable than your aunt mavis.

So I get a bit sick of people moaning about lockdown. Its not an inconvenience when what is at stake is the difference between living or dieing for other people. And being safe in your home or going for a walk is far preferable to the alternative of working through it and/or the despair of people dieing.

Valleydad99 · 21/09/2020 09:32

@BexR

Wow some of the comments here are disgusting. What selfish, entitled people are coming out of the woodwork.

Restrictions and lockdown are hard but so is turning away dying people from hospitals.

I wasn't selfish - I believed what I was doing was doing good - but it's clearly not as infections keep rising so as nothing I do is making a chuffing difference I may as well do the things I've missed these last 7 months and hang the consequences.
Lovemusic33 · 21/09/2020 09:46

MiniTheMinx I agree completely, I’m a key worker too (support worker) and covid has made my job tricky and more stressful. I don’t go out mingling or having my hair or eyelashes done, i haven’t been in anyone’s house other than my mums (and the people I support at work) since lockdown. I don’t see the need to go out doing things that put me and my clients at risk. I walk a lot in the countryside on my own, I no longer go to the gym or pool. A lot of people are just going about their lives as if covid does not exist and that’s why numbers are rising fast.

No one wants a lockdown but if people can’t be more sensible then that’s where we are heading.

Dillo10 · 21/09/2020 09:48

"No bonfire night. No Christmas. No New Year."

Bonfire night, New Year and especially Christmas (it's true meaning) are not going anywhere - just the ways we have become accustomed to celebrating them over the years.

I love bonfire night, and will build a bonfire and let off a few fireworks in my garden, perhaps get the neighbours involved. Nothing stopping you from roasting a few marshmallows on the BBQ etc.

New year is a bloody waste of time and money anyway in my opinion. There will still be a new year... 2021 will not be postponed?!

As for Christmas... perhaps this year people will be reminded of the true meaning of the time of year, instead of getting caught up in manic present buying. You can still celebrate Christmas if it means something to you, lockdown or not.

I realise this must sound patronising, it's not meant to be.
And I know it depends on your living situation - different if you live with a large family etc.

But I think we really need to get some perspective here and try to appreciate what is true i.e. Christmas exists without presents, parties and all the noise around it.

shesgonebatshitagain · 21/09/2020 09:49

@BoobsOnTheMoon

Misread that thread title as "Back to having a wank then??" Confused

As you were...

A mistake early made Boobs
IcedPurple · 21/09/2020 09:52

@annabel85

National lockdown is not fair. The areas that are behaving should not be punished due to the feckless areas that aren't.
"Feckless areas"? You sound like a parody!

Should we have 'punishment' maps which colour code areas according to levels of feckfulness or lack thereof?

VinylDetective · 21/09/2020 09:52

I think you’re right @Dillo10. Christmas for us will be a very low key affair this year which feels right. The usual extravaganza would feel pretty tasteless after the year we’ve had. We’re hunkering down with some nice food, plenty of wine and some good films. We’re considering saying no presents too - easy enough as our kids are all grown up and won’t mind too much.

baytreetavern · 21/09/2020 09:54

@Dillo10

"No bonfire night. No Christmas. No New Year."

Bonfire night, New Year and especially Christmas (it's true meaning) are not going anywhere - just the ways we have become accustomed to celebrating them over the years.

I love bonfire night, and will build a bonfire and let off a few fireworks in my garden, perhaps get the neighbours involved. Nothing stopping you from roasting a few marshmallows on the BBQ etc.

New year is a bloody waste of time and money anyway in my opinion. There will still be a new year... 2021 will not be postponed?!

As for Christmas... perhaps this year people will be reminded of the true meaning of the time of year, instead of getting caught up in manic present buying. You can still celebrate Christmas if it means something to you, lockdown or not.

I realise this must sound patronising, it's not meant to be.
And I know it depends on your living situation - different if you live with a large family etc.

But I think we really need to get some perspective here and try to appreciate what is true i.e. Christmas exists without presents, parties and all the noise around it.

I'm looking forward to a much quieter Christmas this year anyway.

Usually we're in the damn car between London, Kent and Yorkshire. Not relaxing at all!

This year I plan to get our own tree! And have a small amount of present with my husband and child.

shesgonebatshitagain · 21/09/2020 09:56

@starfro

Lockdowns only pause infection growth for limited periods. Unless you combine it with something (track/trace) that will limit growth after you release the lockdown it's pointless.

Given the current rise in infections, it's clear that no such system works here (nor other European countries) and the time gained from first lockdown has been wasted. The only good news is that Doctors are far better at treating Covid now, and IFR is about 0.3% and falling.

Protect the vulnerable and let it rip (in a controlled way), else we just end up with endless cycles of lockdown. Remember "flattening the curve" to ensure hospital capacity?

I agree with everything you have written here.

The government will squander the time lockdown buys the, and track and trace will continue to be the disaster
As they also have an electorate to please and an economy to run (say that loosely ) then they inevitable have to bow to this pressure or else the country te I’ll be unfair to tackle anything let alone a pandemic.

I do think those who have to shield should and we should have some controlled socially distanced measures for as long as infection rates are outstripping deaths as they now are.

People will get the virus
People might get it again

Life does have to go on and the confusion and procrastination as well as in fighting are doing far more damage to our society, our communities and our country. This chaos is also ushering in a increasing disregard for the rule of Law and due political process.

Coronavirus isn’t killing this country off it’s the lunatics running the asylum.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 21/09/2020 10:01

Treebore how can I 'hide away' from my dcs who need me, my job and my dh for months if not years? I'm just getting on with life as best I can and basically crossing my fingers. I don't see how anyone can truly shield- everyone needs contact with people and I'm not stopping my dcs from going to school and uni and seeing friends just to keep me safe. It was fine for a few months but not long term.