Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

loobyloo1234, just because something is permitted or endorsed by this Government shower doesn't make it risk free. They themselves know this. They are balancing the risk of economic crash against the risk of rising rates of Covid. For me personally, I feel that beauty treatments are not essential and it involves too close contact with a stranger whose other behaviour and attitude to SD is unknown to me.

The only effective way to bring down the rates of infection is to limit all social contact between people. Miserable isn't it. That cannot be done, not because Matt wants you to be happy, or Boris wants you to have nice eyebrows, or Witty worries about your mental health, and they are collectively committed to your child's welfare and education, but because they have no choice but try and hold the economy together. But to what end? and I believe civil unrest lies ahead whatever they do. Its no small coincidence that the Covid legislation that can be used to undermine civil liberties, to prevent gathering crowds, combined with fear and the insistence that 'people are dangerous' and the wearing of face coverings comes about at a time when democratic western states are morbidly transfixed on their fear of rising civil unrest. This has been known since the protests in Seattle in 1999. The economy was doomed to crisis not because of Covid, now they have the bigger problem of civil unrest because of further economic hardship, people concluding capitalism is no longer commensurate with human life, or rising unrest over Covid deaths, and rising unrest over any measures to control Covid. Whatever is done, the State will need to take far greater control. Predictions of anarchy are probably not too far fetched. Bojo is an idiot and not up to the job, but i don't doubt this idiot is allowed his 15 minutes because its a distraction to get us to believe its all the fault of him and few entertaining monkeys.

@MiniTheMinx

So you want hairdressers, lash technicians, beauty therapists to lose their jobs (which is what would happen if they close again) because YOU don't want to visit them? Do you know how clean and sanitary most of these establishments are - even before Covid?

Meanwhile we can all meet up in pubs and restaurants, sharing cutlery, toilets, tables and chairs? Ok. Makes sense

It’s people like you who are fuelling this pandemic. Just grow up and do the right thing...this is not just about you.

If I followed your advice then I would probably end up dead. So no I will not 'grow up and do the right thing' because my life is just as important as someone who dies from covid.

I've only just gone back to work.
Ffs

just because something is permitted or endorsed by this Government shower doesn't make it risk free.

Nothing is risk free. And if you're going to say we should make our own risk assessments and not take our lead from 'this government shower' then doesn't that work the other way too? Couldn't people just as easily say that they don't feel that a social gathering involving 7 people is risky just because the 'government shower' say so?

They are balancing the risk of economic crash against the risk of rising rates of Covid.

Quite rightly. I'm not a fan of this government but every country on earth is having to do the same balancing act.

For me personally, I feel that beauty treatments are not essential and it involves too close contact with a stranger whose other behaviour and attitude to SD is unknown to me.

This is classic MN. So because you yourself don't care for beauty treatments, you feel you have the right to sneer at others who do? Not to mention dismissing the livelihoods of the thousands of - mostly working-class women - who work in these professions?

What's your job? Would you be happy for strangers to feel you should go out of business just because they didn't avail themselves of your services?

Would you be happy for strangers to feel you should go out of business just because they didn't avail themselves of your services?
People need to understand that in an emergency scenario there are priorities. Food, water, electricity supply. Hospitals, doctors, schools. Keeping a pub open or a brow technician in business is not a priority.

@Ranunculi totally agree. I don't want to see people lose their livelihoods, it's an awful awful situation. But it's also ridiculous to not recognise that there are priorities in a fucking pandemic!

We don't watch disaster movies and worry about whether Karen's Lash Boutique is going to survive amongst all the dead and dying?!

Fed up of the "wear a mask, follow the rules and it'll be over" brigade. I've done everything and all it's done is screw me and my family over. Only going to do things to look after the health of my family now and as we've all already had it screw the rest of you.

If you want to protect your family's health then do whatever you can to keep virus levels low, because non-covid healthcare will be badly affected if rates shoot up again. The dangers to all of us don't just come from catching covid, they also come from the knock on effects of high levels of covid infection in the community causing problems for hospitals, healthcare, schools and businesses who can't operate as normal.

Saying screw everyone else and not complying with anti covid measures would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you're really concerned about your family, don't be shortsighted - be someone who sets a good example about social distancing, who doesn't join in avoidable indoor gatherings, who takes the risks of the virus spreading seriously. However understandable it is to feel angry at the situation the virus has put us in, don't lose sight of the fact that everyone loses if infection levels rise too high again.

[quote ReadtheData]@Ranunculi totally agree. I don't want to see people lose their livelihoods, it's an awful awful situation. But it's also ridiculous to not recognise that there are priorities in a fucking pandemic!

We don't watch disaster movies and worry about whether Karen's Lash Boutique is going to survive amongst all the dead and dying?![/quote]
Movies are not real life.

@Ranunculi

Would you be happy for strangers to feel you should go out of business just because they didn't avail themselves of your services? People need to understand that in an emergency scenario there are priorities. Food, water, electricity supply. Hospitals, doctors, schools. Keeping a pub open or a brow technician in business is not a priority.

They are a priority for the hundreds of thosands who work in the hospitality and beauty industries though.

Can you provide evidence to all the known outbreaks linked to beauty salons?

I don't see how they can possibly ban household mixing while still expecting people to go to work and school.

School classroom = mixing households
Work = mixing households
Childcare = mixing households
Travel for the above = mixing households

DH is a primary teacher and is reasonably unfazed about the risks of being in a classroom with 30 kids, no distancing etc. However, I think if he were told that he had to go to work with the risks that entailed, yet couldn't meet a couple of friends for a drink or a walk or a kickabout, he would be livid.

People just won't do it, so what's the point? Make some halfway reasonable rules and people will be much more likely to follow them conscientiously. Less virus spread, happier people. What's the issue with that?

It’s ridiculous!
You can’t expect the majority of people to put normal life on hold indefinitely. The survival rate it really high, they should isolate care homes etc and let the rest of us get on with it. No way are people going to keep going with this bullshit until late next year. And if they don’t find a long term vaccine, what happens then?

Well, exactly.
Provide proper support for those who are in vulnerable categories. Potentially regular testing for them and their families?
For everyone else ... the risk of becoming jobless, homeless, depressed, insane, more insane... is probably greater!

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Fuck that. Fuck not seeing friends and family in your own home. Fuck 'social distancing'. Just don't do it. They don't have the power to enforce these stupid lockdowns that just kick the can down the road.

It's people with attitudes like yours that will keep the virus spreading and restrictions in place

Just do the right thing FFS.

Wearing a mask and social distancing is hardly what I would call putting life on hold.

I have a hobby which has been cancelled this year, it's sad but not the end of the world.

Lockdowns will happen if people continue to be selfish and refuse to social distance. No one wants a lockdown but it's inevitable as the 'I'm too important/special to wear a mask and distance' people will cause it.

Even at school dropoff I have parents pushing in front of myself and my child whilst we struggle to distance, behaviour is unbelievable.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Spare the guilt trips, Redolent. They don't work on people anymore. Nor do the attempts to shame people. And remember not everyone is in the UK and using the bloody NHS. And if people don't want to work for the NHS anymore, no one is forcing them to stay. 'Oh, but then who will do the job!' Why do people always think they are irreplaceable?

What a horrible post.

You might not be in the UK, but we are discussing the UK, of which the NHS is a big part of.

Our NHS are valued & aren't actually replaceable. There was a huge shortage before Covid hit

@Redolent. Please don't think the vast majority share this vile attitude. I really appreciate what you & your colleagues are doing for us 🌷

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Spare the guilt trips, Redolent. They don't work on people anymore. Nor do the attempts to shame people. And remember not everyone is in the UK and using the bloody NHS. And if people don't want to work for the NHS anymore, no one is forcing them to stay. 'Oh, but then who will do the job!' Why do people always think they are irreplaceable?

Jesus. You're really on a roll to deny that COVID is a problem aren't you. How about you get better informed about what ICU was like in April? FFS

Just do the right thing FFS.

If doing the right thing will result in my death then no I won't.

I am sorry that you think only covid deaths matter.

Oh I worked for the NHS until June. I was told to leave because of my illness and they mocked my disability. What a wonderful organisation.

@Jourdain11

I don't see how they can possibly ban household mixing while still expecting people to go to work and school.

School classroom = mixing households
Work = mixing households
Childcare = mixing households
Travel for the above = mixing households

DH is a primary teacher and is reasonably unfazed about the risks of being in a classroom with 30 kids, no distancing etc. However, I think if he were told that he had to go to work with the risks that entailed, yet couldn't meet a couple of friends for a drink or a walk or a kickabout, he would be livid.

People just won't do it, so what's the point? Make some halfway reasonable rules and people will be much more likely to follow them conscientiously. Less virus spread, happier people. What's the issue with that?

I'm in the scenario you mentioned.

Secondary school teacher in the North East, which means I'm in close contact with hundreds of people daily with no social distancing etc.

My job is categorically unsafe, even more so with the rise in numbers.

YET, now I can't mix with friends or family, and I've issues with childcare now that grandparents can't legally do school pick ups etc.

I'm both livid and terrified.

Jesus. You're really on a roll to deny that COVID is a problem aren't you. How about you get better informed about what ICU was like in April? FFS

Give yourself a big pat on the back, but it doesn't make you a better person.

Yes, it does actually!

@Stellaris22

Hear, hear!

@Jaxhog

Give yourself a big pat on the back, but it doesn't make you a better person.

Yes, it does actually!

This alone just proves you're not. Get over yourself.

@Stellaris22

Wearing a mask and social distancing is hardly what I would call putting life on hold.

I have a hobby which has been cancelled this year, it's sad but not the end of the world.

Lockdowns will happen if people continue to be selfish and refuse to social distance. No one wants a lockdown but it's inevitable as the 'I'm too important/special to wear a mask and distance' people will cause it.

Even at school dropoff I have parents pushing in front of myself and my child whilst we struggle to distance, behaviour is unbelievable.

Yet we were all encouraged to go back to work, start eating out and socialising again to get back to normal last month. Funny that.