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Have state school teachers faced redundancy for not working during lockdown?

635 replies

notevenat20 · 19/09/2020 07:43

I recently read

I think those of us who work in the private sector understand we are going to have to work during periods of self isolation whilst juggling family. It was the same during lockdown. We want to keep our jobs so we will have to provide the service.

This got me wondering, is this a pressure state school teachers feel too?

Certainly at DC’s school no educational provision was given for almost all of lockdown (there were 6 key worker children in the school, out of 420).

OP posts:
notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:07

@borntobequiet

Thanks!

I am not sure that teachers spending a lot of time on MN is something to boast about :)

OP posts:
notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:08

The OP wants teachers to be sacked too

I have not said this.

OP posts:
ineedaholidaynow · 20/09/2020 11:09

Ok for you to spend a lot of time on it @notevenat20 though

Feenie · 20/09/2020 11:10

And then in my case I see the teachers who apparently are too busy to do any teaching lolling about in the local park in the day and boasting about their extended family bike rides

Fucking hell. I'm absolutely baffled as to why anyone should waste their time responding to this total drivel. Why MNHQ haven't deleted it is beyond me.

notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:13

Fucking hell. I'm absolutely baffled as to why anyone should waste their time responding to this total drivel. Why MNHQ haven't deleted it is beyond me.

Drivel in the sense you don't believe it or that why would anyone care? Notice that a number of other people have posted not dissimilar stories on this very thread (in the sense of no educational provision).

OP posts:
SmileEachDay · 20/09/2020 11:18

I am not sure that teachers spending a lot of time on MN is something to boast about smile

Passive aggressive AND goady.

Italiandreams · 20/09/2020 11:18

I’m a primary school teacher who worked throughout lockdown in school and at home while juggling managing a toddler so the thought of repeated it makes me want to cry! Sometimes I was in the park in the afternoon as was also trying to be a good parent but then would work until midnight.

I did provide work throughout before I am accused of being lazy but why did the government spend all that money on the oak academy If no one was allowed to use it?

borntobequiet · 20/09/2020 11:20

[quote notevenat20]@borntobequiet

Thanks!

I am not sure that teachers spending a lot of time on MN is something to boast about :)[/quote]
It’s Sunday...

notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:20

I did provide work throughout before I am accused of being lazy but why did the government spend all that money on the oak academy If no one was allowed to use it?

No one thinks you are lazy. The problem would be if you had provided no work and neither had your colleagues.

OP posts:
borntobequiet · 20/09/2020 11:21

And I did a half hour tutorial with one of my online learners over the phone at 9 am...

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 20/09/2020 11:22

Wasn't the OP of this thread the one who tried to derail another 'fts DfE pull yourself finger out' thread by trying to make out that campaigning to make schools safer was somehow anti-feminist?

Big bucket of salt needed, I think.

Italiandreams · 20/09/2020 11:22

My point is what is the point of the oak academy If no one is supposed to use it?

borntobequiet · 20/09/2020 11:25

You might want to look up the definition of boasting

shellysheridan · 20/09/2020 11:26

@notevenat20

Fucking hell. I'm absolutely baffled as to why anyone should waste their time responding to this total drivel. Why MNHQ haven't deleted it is beyond me.

Drivel in the sense you don't believe it or that why would anyone care? Notice that a number of other people have posted not dissimilar stories on this very thread (in the sense of no educational provision).

I explained op how teachers might be in the park for some of the day and still working hard as have other posters, but you have chosen to ignore us. Looking after young children whilst supporting remote learning for my class was a massive juggling act and the thought of doing it again is very stressful. Especially when I read posters saying teachers did nothing. Some teachers may have done nothing as their schools directed them that way but it's hard not to take it personally when every teacher I know worked very hard.
notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:31

I explained op how teachers might be in the park for some of the day and still working hard as have other posters, but you have chosen to ignore us.

The problem is it doesn't fit with the facts. The school also gave no educational provision. Those two facts have to be interpreted as a pair.

OP posts:
OverTheRainbow88 · 20/09/2020 11:37

@notevenat20

It’s shit your child’s school didn’t send home any work. Hopefully that wasn’t the norm, but yes she was let down by her school and teachers. I can’t imagine any teacher supporting not sending home
Any work.

However, You do sound like you’re on a bit of a witch hunt now. Your OP was basically asking for people to slate teachers, which isn’t fair.

The amount of time you’ve spent on this thread you could have probably covered half of KS1 with your child!!!

CallmeAngelina · 20/09/2020 11:37

"The problem is it doesn't fit with the facts."

No, it doesn't fit with your agenda.

LastGoldenDaysOfSummer · 20/09/2020 11:52

@CallmeAngelina

"The problem is it doesn't fit with the facts."

No, it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Exactly. Gaslighting again.
notevenat20 · 20/09/2020 11:59

The amount of time you’ve spent on this thread you could have probably covered half of KS1 with your child!!!

I moved them to a better school instead :)

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AdelaidePlace · 20/09/2020 12:27

Do you work in schools OP?

Overseeing many schools I know the work that school leaders and teachers undertook. Not just teaching on line or providing home learning packs ..there were so many other issues to deal with.

Teachers were ill too. We were fortunate that teachers volunteered to also work in hubs to care for the children of KW's where schools couldn't even find the staff to do this.

You are unreasonable and actually posters shouldn't respond to feed your agenda.

shellysheridan · 20/09/2020 12:34

@CallmeAngelina

"The problem is it doesn't fit with the facts."

No, it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Exactly this.

You are generalising all teachers and then criticising when teachers respond with their own experiences that don't match what happened at your school.

Of course I can't speak for all teachers and all schools any more than you can.

I'm sharing the facts of what I know to be try about the school I work in and the one my children go to

noblegiraffe · 20/09/2020 13:01

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

Wasn't the OP of this thread the one who tried to derail another 'fts DfE pull yourself finger out' thread by trying to make out that campaigning to make schools safer was somehow anti-feminist?

Big bucket of salt needed, I think.

Yep.

There are other posters on this thread who need salt too. Wide-eyed innocent ones. Wouldn't be surprised if there hadn't been a call for support somewhere with all the not-very-subtle backslapping that's been going on.

FrippEnos · 20/09/2020 13:03

@notevenat20

we have not learnt this at all.

Why haven't you learned this? The thread is long but there are a number of examples of schools who provided nothing or next to nothing.

We haven't learnt this because there is not enough evidence to support your hypothesis.

What we have learnt is that you are pushing an agenda that has very little evidence to support it.

MoreW1ne · 20/09/2020 13:04

OP...a little more fuel to keep you going on the teacher bashing. Fair play by the way for trying to keep your thread going for so long.

I feel zero pressure for my job currently. Lockdown has shown me that are even more rubbish parents than I previously thought. Hardly any have any idea how to educate (even control) their children and you cannot cope without me for this purpose.

Added to that the amount of parents who refuse to dereg even though not attending so numbers of kids will be solid, so plenty of money.

What pressure would I possibly feel? I've actually had the most chilled start to the term in years as I needn't prove anything anymore. When's that pay rise kicking in?

FrippEnos · 20/09/2020 13:07

@Pomegranatepompom

This was @MilesJuppIsMyBitch 's list.

as @noblegiraffe posted this was over a few days.

that makes you sound really thick’, ‘you’re much more likely to survive than not.’, ‘ I just can't believe the attitude of some teachers’, ‘I don't normally comment on teacher woe is me threads, but I know too many people actually out there dealing with people, and have been for months when teachers are still on their break!’, ‘paranoid nonsense’, ‘paranoid and bonkers’, ‘I'll leave you to your mad fantasies.’, ‘Teachers are not special.’, ‘ I think you have a pretty good deal. ‘, ‘If you can’t accept that children’s education must be prioritised, then maybe the profession is not for you.’, ‘the future of children in this country is lost,’, ‘It’s just a minority who expect other professions to take risks, while they take none themselves,’, ‘No sympathy from me I’m afraid, that they’ve had the luxury of shielding for 6 months and are now complaining about having to go back to work in a relatively safe environment’, ‘A lot of my family work in hospitals and can’t get over the attitude of SOME teachers.’, ‘I’d hate to think of a teacher passing on their anxiety to children’, ‘an air hostess could have a terrorist onboard and if the plane crashes that's it.’, ‘Just trying to point out that I've never seen so much whining here from teachers. It's a disgrace.’, ‘Honestly if it was making me that worried I would give my job up and search for another.’, ‘ If it wasn't for Covid, a teacher would have a very low risk profession’, ‘ I think some people do need to get over it and it’s an insult to others without PPE. Teachers are under an illusion that they have it harder than anybody else yet the majority have WORKED FROM home.’, ‘ I suggest you just get on with it’, ‘I don’t think the virus is how the Gov have made out to be.’, ‘Are all the teachers falling dead in Scotland??? Because from the teachers POV on MN you would think so.’ ‘Go and get a different job if you concerns are not what you can overcome’, ‘we will all die eventually but the chances of dying from Covid are pretty low and minuscule for young otherwise healthy people.’, ‘Life threatening? Really? Do you worry about getting flu from the children? I think you are over exaggerating the risks....’, ‘ For goodness sake people need to get a grip. The risks are miniscule’, ‘I think people need to accept the risk that comes with people facing jobs or they need to leave if they feel they can’t do that.’, ‘Flu has a much higher death and infection rate than Covid!’, ‘there is no perspective on the teacher threads. The complaining is way out of proportion to the risk’, ‘Teachers aren’t dropping like flies in Scotland.’, ‘Why should teachers be any different to everyone else?’, ‘I think teachers need to stop moaning if they want to stop @teacher bashing”. The risks are very small.’, ‘Seriously get a grip. You've said yourself that risk of transmission is low, what makes teachers so different to nurses, supermarket staff, delivery drivers etc?’, ‘Why can't you provide your own ppe as I have? Absolutely ridiculous’, The amount of hand wringing on here from teachers gives us all a bad name’, ‘perhaps you should consider being signed off work if you cannot rationalise the risks involved’, ‘What about the supermarket workers who have been in close contact/no PPE throughout the pandemic. The hospital workers who have been exposed? Bus drivers.’, ‘This virus needs to be lived with.’, ‘you either suck it up or don't go in’, ‘I'm not sure what else you want to happen’, ‘This is so out of proportion it's unreal’, ‘Are you scared of flu?’, ‘they don't put people on ventilators as much’, ‘Sick of this shit’, ‘This fear only seems to have gripped Mumsnet’, ‘This is not the bubonic plague’, ‘children have suffered the most throughout all this and if you (teachers) can't see that then maybe you should take up a different career’, ‘these teacher on here are wetting the bed every night about a tiny risk.’, ‘mental health in children has always been there’, ‘what other job would you feel safer in?’, ‘they just don't have the option to sit home on full pay,’, ‘It could be worse, we could be in Beirut or Colombia’, ‘ I'm sure you are not irreplaceable’, ‘Any comment from teachers about the restaurant workers working 7 days currently? ‘, ‘If you are that scared/anxious of the virus then please do resign’, ‘you're talking like you're the only people on earth who are at risk of COVID’, ‘Think of the children ‘,

Will NO-ONE think of the children??