Have state school teachers faced redundancy for not working during lockdown?

[notevenat20]

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I think those of us who work in the private sector understand we are going to have to work during periods of self isolation whilst juggling family. It was the same during lockdown. We want to keep our jobs so we will have to provide the service.

This got me wondering, is this a pressure state school teachers feel too?

Certainly at DC’s school no educational provision was given for almost all of lockdown (there were 6 key worker children in the school, out of 420).

Yes I can see why that would enrage and upset.

By the way @noblegiraffe if you’re referring to me, I’ve definitely not been ‘called to arms or back slapping anyone’. I don’t really know anyone on here. I just post my opinion. I really couldn’t be bothered with that type of unpleasantness.

I’m afraid your misinterpreted me again.

Not you pom.

But, if you can see why those comments would enrage and upset, perhaps you should revise your original opinion of these threads turning nasty because of teacher behaviour.

I won’t quite revise but I admit, I’ve a new perspective.
Anyway - it must be very draining. I quite regret adding to this thread, apart from I do view things a bit differently now.

Thanks pom, appreciated.

[quote notevenat20]@borntobequiet

Thanks!

I am not sure that teachers spending a lot of time on MN is something to boast about :)[/quote]
Oh fuck off. It's the weekend.

@Pomegranatepompom

I won’t quite revise but I admit, I’ve a new perspective. Anyway - it must be very draining. I quite regret adding to this thread, apart from I do view things a bit differently now.

I'm so glad to read that. If teachers refusing to fall down when they're bashed achieves nothing else, the occasional poster changing their perspective makes the tedious arguments worthwhile.

Redundancy is where there is no need for the role. With schools back there is a need for the role!

Teachers were ill too. We were fortunate that teachers volunteered to also work in hubs to care for the children of KW's where schools couldn't even find the staff to do this.You are unreasonable and actually posters shouldn't respond to feed your agenda.

I completely understand that many teachers do a wonderful job above and beyond their duties. I have a good friend who is one of them. This doesn't contradict the fact that a number of schools did less than could possibly be called acceptable.

You are generalising all teachers and then criticising when teachers respond with their own experiences that don't match what happened at your school.

This is almost the opposite of the truth. I have said many times that many schools were and are great. What is odd is that the complement, which is stating that a number of schools were truly dreadful over lockdown, seems to offend deeply. So in direct contrast to your comment, it is the personal experience of terrible or non-existent educational provisional over lockdown that is being dismissed.

What we have learnt is that you are pushing an agenda that has very little evidence to support it.

The term agenda seems misplaced. But nonethess, it is true the only facts we have about terrible educational provision over lockdown are personal experiences. I related my own and a number of other people (including a school governor) related their negative experiences on this thread.

This situation is entirely symmetric. Those teachers who wish to contradict this negative depiction use their own positive personal experiences. This is why I at some point said it would be interesting to see a national survey of what support/education was provided by schools in the UK over lockdown.

Oh fuck off.

I always wonder why people think it's acceptable to say that to a stranger.

I kind of think fuck off is the only acceptable response when a poster has a snide dig at teachers for having the time to use Mumsnet at all. It's not just for SAHMs.

notevenat20

You started a thread about lockdown. That’s in the past - no one can change provision then.

I think you’re stirring. I imagine you’d dispute that?

I kind of think fuck off is the only acceptable response when a poster has a snide dig at teachers for having the time to use Mumsnet at all. It's not just for SAHMs.

My comment was directly in response to a snide dig. I responded in kind but perhaps I should have gone high instead.

Wasn't the OP of this thread the one who tried to derail another 'fts DfE pull yourself finger out' thread by trying to make out that campaigning to make schools safer was somehow anti-feminist?

This is just plain wrong and slightly upsetting. I don't know who is a woman on MN but it seems odd to so dramatically misunderstand a basic feminist point.

The point I raised was, in summary, this. In the conversation about schools and the harm that shutting them or having them part-time causes, I have found that the harm to women is hardly discussed. Women suffer disproportionately where there is no full time schooling and always have. Of course we would all like to live in a world where this isn't the case but that's a separate question. As we stand, it is still true.

@notevenat20

Teachers were ill too. We were fortunate that teachers volunteered to also work in hubs to care for the children of KW's where schools couldn't even find the staff to do this.You are unreasonable and actually posters shouldn't respond to feed your agenda.

I completely understand that many teachers do a wonderful job above and beyond their duties. I have a good friend who is one of them. This doesn't contradict the fact that a number of schools did less than could possibly be called acceptable.

You are generalising all teachers and then criticising when teachers respond with their own experiences that don't match what happened at your school.

This is almost the opposite of the truth. I have said many times that many schools were and are great. What is odd is that the complement, which is stating that a number of schools were truly dreadful over lockdown, seems to offend deeply. So in direct contrast to your comment, it is the personal experience of terrible or non-existent educational provisional over lockdown that is being dismissed.

What we have learnt is that you are pushing an agenda that has very little evidence to support it.

The term agenda seems misplaced. But nonethess, it is true the only facts we have about terrible educational provision over lockdown are personal experiences. I related my own and a number of other people (including a school governor) related their negative experiences on this thread.

This situation is entirely symmetric. Those teachers who wish to contradict this negative depiction use their own positive personal experiences. This is why I at some point said it would be interesting to see a national survey of what support/education was provided by schools in the UK over lockdown.

Oh fuck off.

I always wonder why people think it's acceptable to say that to a stranger.

You've completely misinterpreted what I said and shown a shocking lack of empathy. Can you not see that by criticising teachers and saying many are awful, teachers will respond and defend themselves explaining their own experience?

You've completely misinterpreted what I said and shown a shocking lack of empathy. Can you not see that by criticising teachers and saying many are awful, teachers will respond and defend themselves explaining their own experience?

I can see that, because it happens. But can you see that if you have suffered months of no or next to no support from your DC's school, while desperately trying to hold down a job, you might want to complain about it?

I guess I don't quite see why I have to accept that many schools are great ( which I do) while teachers don't have to accept that some are terrible.

And, yet, you still won't tell us what that job is.

I can see that, because it happens. But can you see that if you have suffered months of no or next to no support from your DC's school, while desperately trying to hold down a job, you might want to complain about it?

And have you? Complained to the HT, to the board of governors, to OFSTED, the LA or academy trust and to your MP? What was the response?

Mumsnetters can't change what has happened or influence what your DC's school does in the future.

And have you? Complained to the HT, to the board of governors, to OFSTED, the LA or academy trust and to your MP? What was the response?

Yes, I listed my experience somewhere on this thread. The punchline is that there was no substantive response.

To be honest what else do you expect? If the schools make a policy, what do you expect them to do if a parent doesn't like it? I am not part of the school SLT.

Bloody hell - don't say the @notevenat20 is a DfE muppet! If so I am very disappointed.

But it brings me back to my favourite topics of

1. why hasn't Gavin Williamson been sacked for cocking up the education provision over the past 6 months?
2. why aren't heads rolling at the DfE over the mutant algorithm and the Results Days shambles?
3. why are the DfE being held to account for the mysteriously ever changing guidelines, the mythical laptops for students and the catch up provision mayhem?

Williamson is our very own Nero!

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Bloody hell - don't say the *@notevenat20* is a DfE muppet! If so I am very disappointed.

But it brings me back to my favourite topics of

1. why hasn't Gavin Williamson been sacked for cocking up the education provision over the past 6 months?
2. why aren't heads rolling at the DfE over the mutant algorithm and the Results Days shambles?
3. why are the DfE being held to account for the mysteriously ever changing guidelines, the mythical laptops for students and the catch up provision mayhem?

Williamson is our very own Nero!

Because they need him to fall on his sword a little bit later. They don't want to burn through two education ministers in such a short period of time and they know it's cock ups from here on in.

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1. why hasn't Gavin Williamson been sacked for cocking up the education provision over the past 6 months?
2. why aren't heads rolling at the DfE over the mutant algorithm and the Results Days shambles?
3. why are the DfE being held to account for the mysteriously ever changing guidelines, the mythical laptops for students and the catch up provision mayhem?

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I think you shoud start a thread for these questions!

@notevenat20

You've completely misinterpreted what I said and shown a shocking lack of empathy. Can you not see that by criticising teachers and saying many are awful, teachers will respond and defend themselves explaining their own experience?

I can see that, because it happens. But can you see that if you have suffered months of no or next to no support from your DC's school, while desperately trying to hold down a job, you might want to complain about it?

I guess I don't quite see why I have to accept that many schools are great ( which I do) while teachers don't have to accept that some are terrible.

I do understand. I was trying to homeschool my eldest, look after my toddler and hold down my teaching job. It was a nightmare and I felt like I was failing each and every day. It's natural to want to lash out but choose your target. The government set the guidelines that the schools followed.

Talk to the school, share your concerns and be glad you've moved your children. Don't take it out on teachers on mn. We're all clinging on with our finger tips at the moment.

Yes, I listed my experience somewhere on this thread. The punchline is that there was no substantive response.

Given that all of the professionals you have complained to, including those with an objective view...MP, LA and OFSTED, haven't upheld your complaint do you think you have unreasonable expectations given unprecedented times?

Have you informed the DfE and the RSC if an academy?

Of course you can also vote with your feet and change schools.

Please dont say that we are stuck with that bloody idiot for the next exam season. We will end up with some horrific mix of exams and CAGs followed by a whole series of U turns.

I'm confused. You post about schools:

I have said many times that many schools were and are great. What is odd is that the complement, which is stating that a number of schools were truly dreadful over lockdown, seems to offend deeply.

Yet your thread title asks if teachers face redundancy. Why not ask if schools will face litigation? Why make it against teachers, many of whom have absolutely no sway in how their school is run? I was told during lockdown to do x and y. I asked if I could also do z and that was agreed.

You may get fewer defensive replies if you actually focused your annoyance about lockdown provision to the schools - the head, SLT, governors etc. and not just deciding that huge swathes of teachers decided to do nothing for months.