Second wave coming

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Yay.

@lughnasadh

It’s not like the U.K. is geographically mobile, is it?

The second wave has never been as bad as the first in any country, has it?

I think they're just looking to cover up the law breaking Brexit fiasco.

Really, very few people are dying, yet they are talking about reopening Nightingale hospitals that weren't even needed first time round.

All depends how we define a second wave. How many countries are having a second wave?

If we look back at history then we see that the second wave of the Spanish flu was far deadlier than the first wave because it mutated. There seems to be evidence that there may be more than one variety or mutation of Covid-19 so we have no idea if the real second wave will be better or worse.

Despite joking about this further up I'm really not sure what constitutes a second wave. It calmed down a bit because we shut everything down. With each bit of opening up infections have started going back to the way they were a few months ago. Does that constitute a second wave or is it simply a continuation of the first wave that slowed down a bit because we got our act together for a bit?

@knittingaddict

I bet Andrex are laughing their bollocks off, the feckers.

I bought 2 extra packs of loo roll this week and a few cans of soup. Should have bought more.

It doesn't attack you through your butthole, you know.

@annabel85 my kids have been back since beginning of August in both primary and secondary, it hasn’t caused any rise in cases whatsoever.

Teachers are just the same as the rest of the population, they don't choose to have COVID..

That is not quite true. They were all paid in full over lockdown no matter how little they did. Everyone else had a pay cut or was fired because their business went bankrupt.

Oh come on swab I am clearly talking about general policy not individual schools screwed up by the testing fiasco.

You do realise that's all of them? Teachers have kids. And other people that they live with. Almost all of them. If any of those people get sick, the teachers need to isolate for 14 days or until a negative test. Even if they manage to get a test (which is increasingly hard and a long time for results), and get back to the classroom, next they catch whatever it is that caused the symptom and have to again isolate and test. If they have 3 kids they can't just assume that little Johnnie's temperature a week after little Suzie's is the same thing that Suzie tested negative for a week ago so they have to isolate every time. It's quick tests or no schools. And quick tests seems vanishingly unlikely so...

I thought it would be a slower increase with all the masks, hand washing, distancing, with etc.

You do realise that masks may well make it worse don’t you? People are constantly fiddling with them, putting germs on their hands.

The virus doesn’t give a shit about virtue signalling however much people want masks to make a difference.

@swabthenose yes

You're actually right. It's just the uncontrolled non-suppression of the first wave. It didn't go anywhere, despite people walking around acting like it wasn't real and childishly calling anyone who said it could come back a 'dementor'.

So what defines a 'second wave' if this is not it then? Lots of people made the most of the summer, went out and tried to enjoy themselves as much as is reasonable during the season where viruses and other bugs are at their lowest and schools were off, and I bet they are bloody glad they did now, because this rise in infections was inevitable unless we stayed locked down completely until a vaccine, and we are now entering flu season as well and it's going to be shit winter!

It was much worse in some famous pandemics. That is not to say it will be now of course

Sorry I meant Spanish flu for example.

@Ravenesque so then what is the point in locking down? It just kicks the can further down the road. So lockdown for a few months again and as soon as restrictions ease cases rise again?

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii that is literally the multi million pound question.

But the positive professor said that it would all be over by June September
mobile.twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/1272625988514562052

I cried miserably tonight, wondering when we will EVER get back to normal.

@notevenat20 Are you vulnerable in some way, or have a member of the family who is? If not, then I think you may need to pull yourself together a little bit. We just all need to get on with it. It is all crap, yes, and you've a right to be annoyed at everything, but crying miserably is a bit of an over the top the reaction unless you have special circumstances which make this extra difficult.

so then what is the point in locking down? It just kicks the can further down the road. So lockdown for a few months again and as soon as restrictions ease cases rise again?

There are two benefits to kicking the can down the road. First the NHS simply won't be able to cope with winter flu and lots of covid patients at the same time. Second, there may be medical advances for covid treatment or prevention by Spring.

@knittingaddict

Amen to the schools staying open.

Very scared secondary school teachers here....

@OverTheRainbow88

I think it’s time To close pubs/restaurants/ bars etc.

We went out for a lovely lunch today, outside and the waiter kept coming really close to us, chatting for ages about nothing even though we weren’t giving long answers, touched my husbands back a few times, put my drink on the table while holding the top bit that I would drink from with his hands, to be fair he was wearing a mask... but wrong so pointless ! Moving around 20
Tables doing the same to all customers.

We had the same at Pizza Hut - we were shown to our table after being requested to sanitize etc, had to order via an app and the server kept coming up to talk to us about nothing in particular! (No mask!) It made the whole experience uncomfortable (we have a vulnerable person in our family - so was out first foray out to eat since before lockdown.

[quote AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii]@Ravenesque so then what is the point in locking down? It just kicks the can further down the road. So lockdown for a few months again and as soon as restrictions ease cases rise again?[/quote]
Stop the health service being swamped?
Save lives?
Keep the NHS functioning as normally as possible?

Holding the line until a vaccine is available?

The second wave has never been as bad as the first in any country, has it?

I'm not sure there are many countries who can confidently say their first and second wave are over. France and Spain are experiencing a second wave but it's happening right now....it hasn't peaked (and then troughed) yet....?

Second, there may be medical advances for covid treatment or prevention by Spring.

Or there may not be and we’ll be back in the same shit next September

Sorry, @notevenat20, was reading too fast. Just re-read and seen that it was @MagicSummer who said that. SAme applies, like!

I read an article in The Spectator today( not my normal reading) apparently Boris is falling apart.

Holding the line until a vaccine is available?

Fair enough if we were sure that would be sometime soon but we aren’t

Maybe stop this stupid push to get everyone back to the office and have people stop at home if they can work from there. This would reduce the number of random people out and about. close pubs would stop all the drunks who cannot social distance then maybe it would slow down again

so then what is the point in locking down? It just kicks the can further down the road. So lockdown for a few months again and as soon as restrictions ease cases rise again?

Chris whitby said back in April (iirc) that he imagined the rest of the year would be Lockdowns, followed by easing of restrictions, in a pattern, and he envisaged SD to last at least a year.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I read an article in The Spectator today( not my normal reading) apparently Boris is falling apart.

If he is Starmer could help out in a cross government type thing

Desperate times and all that