Second wave coming

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Yay.

@notevenat20

Yes, but with smaller classes of max 15 children, in larger spaces with extra staff and money spent to enable this.

That is not universally true. There are dozens of countries with similar or higher covid rates than us. They all have their schools open and the teachers are not getting ill. Don't forget that if you are under 50 you are extremely unlikely to die of covid even if you catch it. Teachers in the UK also retire young.

Still going in to school here at 65 - albeit part time.

[quote Bercows]@Dominicgoings because I keep a well stocked pantry and have just emptied the last of the 16kg sack I bought previously into my flour tubs. I've got enough for about 6 loaves and 6 pizzas. Talk of lockdown and shortages prompted me to put in an order. I buy 16kg in a wholesale sack. I'm not clearing the local shelves of bread flour. I'm buying what my family need in a timely manner because we make our own bread and pizza bases every few days. [/quote]
So just go and do it. Stop posting online about it. That’s the type of domino effect that panics people.
Nobody actually cares about how many home made pizzas you make.
Pun intended with the Domino reference.

justanotherneighinparadise.

Well done you for being so sanctimonius about your own health.

@notevenat20

Please let them keep the schools open. Please.

If they are true to their word (hah) primaries should stay open but secondaries might move to two weeks on then two weeks off alternating.

This depends on the teachers playing ball of course. Fingers crossed.

Well let's hope no teachers actually get ill or have caring responsibilities of their own then. Lucky they're robots.

I have never understood why people bought the bubble argument for schools when it is so transparently bad science.

Take the example of my DS (secondary). At school he is in a bubble of his year of 300ish. Now let's assume they never have any contact with children from other age groups, no common loos etc. (unlikely).

But in reality he is not exposed to just the 300 kinds because every single one of them lives in some kind of household and risk must logically work on a household level. So let's assume conservatively that each of the 200 lives in a family of four. So really his exposure is 4 x 300 ie 1200.

Then he takes the school bus because we live an hour from school and the bus is mixed across years - 35 kids x 4 = 140. So his regular contacts are 1340 people before he does anything like go to the supermarket on the way home or play sport.

It suits the government to get children back into schools so parents can work and pay taxes and exam timetables can be maintained because apparently it is too hard to think of an alternative - it's as simple as that.

@Dominicgoings
If ''no body actually cares'' then why on earth did you comment on it?!

Do you think it will get to series 10, wave 10 like the Walking Dead...

I think some mn's are loving it.... we lock down again and then what it comes back again and again..sweep through and get it over and done with...keep vulnerable shielded and get it over with. Lock down delays fir a bit...then back again....what's the point, its here to stay like other viruses

Keeping perspective though very few dying, more dying from other causes, but covid ...nothing else us important.

Think it's fair to say we can now kiss goodbye to Christmas. Although at least we'll be expecting it and not be given literally a few hours notice like they did in some areas before Eid.

because Eid and Christmas are interchangeable really. Why no throw in Easter and Hannukah too?

I have a PGCE too, but got it at 55, at which age no one wanted to employ me. But I imagine that in a crisis I could still (just about) manage in a classroom. Although I'm well past being "managed" by any SLT, and the paperwork might be very random.

[quote Shitfuckoh]@Dominicgoings
If ''no body actually cares'' then why on earth did you comment on it?![/quote]
I commented on the first bulk buying/panic buying post. The very thing that makes others panic.
The response referred to the quantities of home made pizza. As if that somehow justifies bulk buying. As if anybody cares
HTH.

@NewAutumnName you have zero understanding of the situation. You honestly believe that you can let this wash through and it’s over. That’s not how viruses and illnesses work. Even with a vaccine. We don’t even know how long immunity lasts if it’s like most coronaviruses not very long.

You do realise that even with vaccines most diseases aren’t iradicated?!?

@randomer think you missed my point

I think high populated areas see a higher a rise in sickness than others. We had a second wave come where I live but we have so much space and small population that it wasn’t as bad as people thought It would be, and we had many cases in our town. We didn’t have to lock down, so I do think lack of space and high population has something to do with this spreading so quickly. Maybe lock down will have to happen there.

Yes possibly a second wave and thankfully 99.993% of the people who catch it will not not end up in hospital or die. Meanwhile all the people who are working from home on full pay rejoice. In reality 30% of businesses will close and a double whammy of a hard Brexit around the corner which will affect every business including the non-commercial public sector. No money, big problems...

@JustFrigginNameChange

Instead of sensationlising things, I wish the media would state the facts like numbers of people dying + their age/underlying conditions; and what percentage of the population are hospitalised due solely to covid vs. Who have it without serious symptoms or any for that matter.

I wish the media would stop scaring people as it's doing more harm that good and turning people into the worst versions of themselves.

The media focuses on '4k new cases today!!!' (Or whatever the number is ) and not '0.0001% of the population were hospitalised due to (solely) covid today!!!'

And perhaps they could also stop with the 'young person dies today! (This could be you!!)', narrative and give us some more of the behind the scenes details which is often not mentioned (underlying condition, obesity etc.)

I always do my best to keep socially distant/wear masks etc. But I just can't take sensationalist headlines very seriously.

But the media has a ‘job’ to do and a narrative to sell. I don’t mind the headlines because it’s an exercise in critical thinking. When I see these stories ramp up like this. I ask myself why they’re telling this story now. IMO, they want to scare people shitless so BoJo can get a second lockdown in for October, before furlough ends so he doesn’t have to extend it. Then he can release restrictions in time for Christmas, which as a PP pointed out on a different thread, is the single biggest economy boost globally almost. An October lockdown gives the double whammy of briefly breaking the chain of transmission, and scaring people into starting their Christmas shop early in case of a third lockdown.

Are you a teacher? Of course you aren't. You just feel the need to talk shit and dismiss any concerns from those who are in schools and have valid concerns. Do you do the same to NHS staff? To our public services workers?It is it just teachers you hate and feel the need to dismiss?

No hate and of course i have to go to work which involves its own risks. I do think we should take reassurance from the experience of open schools around the world.

@theluckiest

I may be reading too much into this, but I hate the wording of this statement.

The 'Second Wave is coming to the UK' - this even implies that it's coming from somewhere else!! As in, 'Great. Who can we blame now? Wasn't me...'

When in actual fact, it's been here all this time and the levels of incompetence, gaslighting, pig-headedness and downright lies from our dear leaders are what's going to result in the second wave being worse than previously anticipated.

I see you Boris. I see you.

Yep that was my first thought too. Blame it on anyone else (ideally some nasty people from the EU).

I read an article in The Spectator today( not my normal reading) apparently Boris is falling apart

I wouldn't take much notice of this. Doesn't Dominic Cummins' wife, Mary Wakefield work for them? Her DF was saying something similar some weeks ago. I reckon they've had some kind of falling out with Boris and are shit-stirring to get bestie Michael Gove in his place 🤷‍♀️.

@Oaktree55

I actually said its here to stay....we're all going to die of something. Meanwhile let us live, suicides up, domestic violence up, mental health issues up, cancer diagnosis missed/delayed because everything is about covid.
No national lock down, what's the point. Just lock down the idiot areas.

The NHS brought back the recently retired; why not ask retired teachers to return on short term temporary contracts, part-time given that many will be older, to fill in the gaps? A fortnight here or there for one or two days a week? In a crisis, is it such a huge ask?

Because schools cant afford to pay them.

[quote Oaktree55]**@NewAutumnName you have zero understanding of the situation. You honestly believe that you can let this wash through and it’s over. That’s not how viruses and illnesses work. Even with a vaccine. We don’t even know how long immunity lasts if it’s like most coronaviruses not very long.

You do realise that even with vaccines most diseases aren’t iradicated?!?[/quote]
@NewAutumnName

You've just supported Oaktree's point. If eradicating the virus is impossible, as you state, then we must simply learn to live with it.

It's going to be this way for the foreseeable now.

I wonder if the panic buying will recommence in the shops tomorrow..

Yy to the poster illustration roughly how many people are really in the so called bubble exposure through school.

Also don't forget, within that 'bubble' the students are supposed to be sd as much as possible.

Of course that is absolutely not happening at all. So the bubbles are not sd safe.
It's all a huge melting point!