We have a right to education, a right to personal liberty, a right to family time, or we did before Covid.

[Treesofwood]

But not any more. So how do we decide when some people's rights (including right to life) mean that others lose their rights. There have always been people who could get very sick and even die if they were to catch anyone of a number of viruses that circulate every year. No one suggested everyone should give up their right to personal liberty to prevent that. There have always been people who are killed on the roads every year. No one suggested that non essential car journeys should be banned to reduce or prevent this. Why are people with cancer's lives seen as less worth saving than those who might catch Covid? Why are people OK with this? How can the government make it illegal for me to see my parents?

Why is it always the conspiracy theorists?

The hyperbolic-rage tone doesn’t make people take you more seriously. It has the opposite effect.

gosh, this thread is going well for you op.......not!!!

@amusedtodeath1

Education = Happening. Liberty = Happening Family Time = Happening

The fact that you can't do exactly what you want, how you want, when you want doesn't take those things away, it just means that you have to act like a responsible adult and deal with it.

What's the alternative, metaphorically stamping your feet repeatedly on an internet forum???

I agree with this.

I think you’ll find children are educated thank you.

But family time isn’t happening now is it! I am not allowed to meet up with my sister unless we lock a couple of kids away and I have just been to a family funeral (no not Covid!) and it was completely disrespectful! There is more to life than Covid!!

FOJN The restrictions and changes over night if restrictions are literally destroying some peoples livelihoods and, also, their lives.
I didn't mention sheep or stupid. Choosing to follow restrictions is one thing, bringing in a law that prevents a perfectly safe outdoor, socially distanced meeting of 7 or 8 people is another.

@colourofblue

I think you’ll find children are educated thank you.

Not here it isn't. One day back, off for two weeks. How long back before sent home again do you think? Maybe a whole week if we are lucky!

Hyperbolic rage tone? You read it in whatever tone you want to.

We still have all those rights. Maybe a little limited for now but still happening.

Hysterical frothing about pretended loss is just ridiculous.

I think you’ll find not all children are being educated either! My son has been at school 10 days a child has tested positive but no symptoms so the whole year have been sent home for 2 weeks. Tell me their education isn’t going to be massively affected by this! How are year 11’s meant to do their exams if you have to have 2 weeks off every time their is a suspected case this winter?

Premierinn Agreed, our children will be paying for this for the rest of their lives. One way or another, and some will pay far more than others.

@PremierInn

If your children are well and at home due to isolation, the school should be providing remote learning.

Dumplings It has been made clear that there is no expectations on schools to do that.

OP- this thread will die in the next hour because the majority will not entertain this nonsense.

I’m utterly baffled by this ‘infringement of human rights’ bullshit. Besides being unable to host six plus friends and family in my home (which literally only happens at Xmas or NYE. Maybe a birthday party?) I have led my usual life pretty much since July.

I go to work. I go to the gym. I go shopping (with a mask). My kids go to school. But apparently I’m supposed to care about not being able to hang out with six plus. If I was twenty - fair enough. But no, I’m a mother who doesn’t want my children to suffer any more repercussions of this shit fest. Be an adult. It’s shit but it will soon pass. All pandemics eventually end.

Why are people so dramatic? Just get on with it. We’re in a fucking pandemic. Things aren’t supposed to be normal. Get over yourself. You can’t see your parents - typical Karen off Facebook shit.

You gotta fight for your right to party.

Not true.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-attendance/addendum-recording-attendance-in-relation-to-coronavirus-covid-19-during-the-2020-to-2021-academic-year#new-for-2020-to-2021--not-attending-in-circumstances-related-to-coronavirus-covid-19

Dumplingsandstew do you have children? Children that are doing gcse work? The work sent home this summer for my children was pathetic with no direct contact at all!

Not sur why Sweden isn't an interesting benchmark. Tegnell said at the beginning of the pandemic that politicians were presentung false choices. Lockdowns were never going to prevent deaths unless they are indefinite, which they can't be. So they only delay deaths. Sweden had higher death rates initially, as it expected to, and made similar mistakes with care homes. Now it has very low infection and death rates compared to its neighbours. These are interesting questions to debate, and I don't see why we insist that this shambles we have going on is the right way forward. The FT made the interesting point that when a country has lost this much, they have to insist that the less harmful approach was wrong.

Few of us are statisticians or actuaries, so our perception of risk is very subjective, and often completely wrong . You only have to look at the insane fear some of my 30 year old size 6 friends have, they literally think they will die, whilst my overweight 73 year old mother with heart failure thinks she's "very healthy and would be fine". That's the real problem.
I've not looked at the OP's other posts so maybe she is just into the Bill Gates bollocks, but it's certainly worth asking where the right balance is with all of this.

@Youneverknowwhatyourgonnaget

Dumplingsandstew do you have children? Children that are doing gcse work? The work sent home this summer for my children was pathetic with no direct contact at all!

Yes I have children. No, they are not doing GCSE work. One of them is in an exam year, though.

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@PremierInn

If your children are well and at home due to isolation, the school should be providing remote learning.[/quote]
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Your naivety would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. My kids A levels are totally utterly fucked by now. It's utterly despairing. Why do you think they are getting work???

How can the government make it illegal for me to see my parents?
Can you elaborate on why you think this is actually the case?

@TreesofWood Sweden is a country where its relatively common to have 1 person households (40%). Compare that to the UK which has a relatively large BAME population where multi-generational households are a cultural norm, where housing is very expensive relative to average incomes so flat shares are the norm for the young.

If half of our population lived alone, i would say that many of these restrictions on families meeting wouldn't be necessary. However, in the UK, if you have the virus and meet a friend, its very probable that she would go home and pass it on to her spouse, children, parents AND that could be unavoidable because they all live in the same house!

Sunk costs fallacy all over. Lockdown was shit and didnt work but to admit we spunked £££££££££££ on a failed policy is too hard to accept. Better to keep repeating the error.

@PremierInn

www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-attendance/addendum-recording-attendance-in-relation-to-coronavirus-covid-19-during-the-2020-to-2021-academic-year#new-for-2020-to-2021--not-attending-in-circumstances-related-to-coronavirus-covid-19

If your school aren't providing what they should be, you need to do something about that.