Another National Lockdown

[Malachite234]

What are the chances ? Sky News are reporting the possibility and a second lockdown has become a reality in Israel.

How likely do you think it is ?

Lockdown is not a new concept at all, which is why it is possible to say that the during the Spanish fli. The US states that had more complete lockdowns recovered economically best

Apparently 3 people were shot in san franscio for not wearing a mask,..in 2018

It's in our hands. If we don't all follow the rules, then it's a good possibility.

A national lockdown is extremely unlikely, and pointless anyway. They need to look at enforcing it better in the hotspots, yes looking at you Bolton. Financially it might be more useful to compensate people who can't work due to quarantine better, rather than furloughing businesses in areas of the country with low infection rates.

Not a problem. I have poor eyesight, my husband has a birthday coming up, and we enjoy visiting castles. It'll be a doddle for us

I will do what is reasonable but I will put ds's needs first. During the DC incident it was made clear that safeguarding trumps guidelines and so if ds's safeguarding comes into play I will put that first with no hesitation this time and in his case it will be actual safeguarding not bollocks.

I hate people saying 'it's up to us and if people dont follow rules we will end up in a lockdown' .

No. That's not the way a virus works. Viruses dont read or follow rules. The government restrictions dont guarantee you wont get the virus. People pick it up on the bus to work, in their workplace, in their school.

Somehow, we have been pitted against each other in some ridiculous attempt to control and uncontrollable virus. As humans, we cant control or beat everything. Some things beat us.

It’s never been done before in the entirety of human history so we had no real idea whether it would work in the first place.

Well actually that's bollox. But hey ho.

Lockdowns and quarantines have been around for a long time.

@midgebabe

Lockdown is not a new concept at all, which is why it is possible to say that the during the Spanish fli. The US states that had more complete lockdowns recovered economically best

Apparently 3 people were shot in san franscio for not wearing a mask,..in 2018

They didn’t actually do a full national lockdown though, did they?

@MadameBlobby

If we do end up having to have another national lockdown it will be the fault of people refusing to comply with restrictions

No it won’t.

Yes, it will.

The people saying others will have to comply because nowhere will be open seem to have forgotten about gatherings on private property, or even in public spaces. Those would almost certainly be banned under any new lockdown. Anyone engaging in them would therefore be non-compliant.

@SqidgeBum

I hate people saying 'it's up to us and if people dont follow rules we will end up in a lockdown' .

No. That's not the way a virus works. Viruses dont read or follow rules. The government restrictions dont guarantee you wont get the virus. People pick it up on the bus to work, in their workplace, in their school.

Somehow, we have been pitted against each other in some ridiculous attempt to control and uncontrollable virus. As humans, we cant control or beat everything. Some things beat us.

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What would be the point though?

We would just be in the same situation once a second lockdown ends: cases will rise when thing start opening again.

If anything the first general lockdown has proved that it achieved very little in term of stopping the virus long term.

The young uns will carry on with their house parties and gatherings in parks if they put another lockdown in place.

Reading some of the replies on here it’s like going back to February, nope, won’t happen, scaremongering etc, at least nobody is spouting it’s only flu now. A month ago many posters said a second wave wouldn’t happen, a new poll shows 80% of GP’s believe it will happen. None if us know how the next 6 months with pan out but I believe we will end up with so many local lockdowns and restrictions that it might as well be a blanket lockdown.

I don't think the country can afford to go back into a national lockdown again.

So many people not complying with the rules has caused the rates to go up. We need to address non-compliance.
I think that, in areas where there are much higher rates (I'm unfortunately in one) there should be far stricter measures.

Keep the more relaxed measures where there are limited infections (unless they do start going up).

Mask-wearing (not face coverings) to be worn by law over the mouth and nose outside the home. If you can't comply then, unfortunately, you will need to not go out until you have received a safe, effective Covid vaccine.

No furloughing of staff in future. The threat of loss of livelihood may help concentrate people's minds on complying with the rules/laws.

Fines for non-compliance to hit harder. £100 fine is nothing to people who have high incomes. Maybe fines should be related to gross income or gross profit of a company.

We should have been tougher previously. A shorter sharper shock would have been better.

@MadameBlobby

If we do end up having to have another national lockdown it will be the fault of people refusing to comply with restrictions

No it won’t.

I agree with both of these sentiments.

Yes the government (questionably maybe) lifted restrictions too fast all at once and launched things like eat out to help out, but at the same time people took the piss and saw the easing of restrictions as a free for all.

I have seen photos and videos (taken by friends, not media spin) of inside pubs once the drink started flowing..... absolute free for all and ZERO social distancing or good hygiene being observed.

I am by no means a Covid Dementor but I do think that if everyone did their bit and applied a degree of common sense (mass protests, cramming onto beaches, queuing to get up Snowdon and descending on mass to other beauty spots?!) instead of trying to find ways to bend or push the boundaries of the rules then the impact/rise in cases could be slowed.

There's a saying, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.......

Fluffycloudland77

It won’t work though, Dominic Cummings didn’t abide by the rules last time & people won’t forget that.
What, one man, albeit a Govt advisor, took his family to a second home against the rules and you think everyone will decide not to comply because of that?😂😂😂

We aren't all sheep.

@Jaxhog

It's in our hands. If we don't all follow the rules, then it's a good possibility.

Unfortunately too many won’t follow the rules and it’s likely where we will end up.

Barely any parents locally are ensuring their children SD despite being in England so no exception for children so I suspect that’s common place elsewhere . I suspect many won’t be adhering to the rule of six either given they haven’t so far. Picture on FB suggest lots don’t know what 2m is.

They need to rethink the Marshall’s, more of them (helping unemployment figures) and give them the power to fine for breaking SD, more than six in one place etc. We don’t have enough police to respond to people reporting breaches.

Simple way of avoiding it. Wear your masks, wash your hands, keep your distance and stop having parties.

I read on a local FB site that a group of 17 cyclists went to a local pub yesterday and went off without paying. Leaving aside the going off without paying, why were there 17 of them? The guidance has been 6 throughout.

(before you ask, they use an app for contact tracing and don't have access to the details themselves).

if everyone did their bit and applied a degree of common sense (mass protests, cramming onto beaches, queuing to get up Snowdon and descending on mass to other beauty spots?!) instead of trying to find ways to bend or push the boundaries of the rules then the impact/rise in cases could be slowed

to be fair there is no evidence that large outdoor meetings caused spikes in cases

Totally agree that just because you can doesn't mean that you should, though.

"Mask-wearing (not face coverings) to be worn by law over the mouth and nose outside the home. If you can't comply then, unfortunately, you will need to not go out until you have received a safe, effective Covid vaccine."

Clearly torturing profoundly disabled people is something you are in favour of. You must be getting really excited about all the ways you can make people like my son suffer.

Sweden's approach starting to look more and more like the right one, they're off our quarantine list now.
The harder you lock down, the harder the bounce back apparently.

@lunar1

The local lockdown isn't working. I live quite near Bolton where everything is shut again, our infection rate is less than half of that in Bolton. My FB feed has loads of people I know from Bolton in restaurants and pubs here instead.

I noticed this when the Leicester lockdown was in place. People came from Leicester into our town, which wasn't covered by the lockdown.

Mask-wearing (not face coverings) to be worn by law over the mouth and nose outside the home. If you can't comply then, unfortunately, you will need to not go out until you have received a safe, effective Covid vaccine

You seem nice.

And of course locking up all under 3s as well. I am sure that will be popular.