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Another National Lockdown

541 replies

Malachite234 · 13/09/2020 21:06

What are the chances ? Sky News are reporting the possibility and a second lockdown has become a reality in Israel.

How likely do you think it is ?

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PJsEveryday · 14/09/2020 05:29

maze76 I totally agree with you. The change from flatten the curve to almost eradication type policy made me think that there was something about this virus that was not being made public. think it is the long term damage that has changed how this virus is dealt with and because so much is unknown. Its not simply a worry that X number people will get lung damage. But that some will get lung damage, some heart damage, some neurological, some nerve, for some it will be psychosis, and for some it combination of the above. I think this is what is ot being h made public and I think you are right - we got given some easing of restrictions because the government knew there was a strong possibility of a second lockdown, in winter, which will not gk down well at all. 🙁 I do think in a year, 18 months, life will be back to a more recognizable normal but this has long stopped being about the death rate and more about long covid, which will ultimately also have a damaging effect on the economy if Covid is left to rip through the population.

CupoTeap · 14/09/2020 05:43

I don't think there will be a national lockdown but they will do lots of different things instead ie curfew etc.

The local lockdowns will continue, we'll end up with lots/most of the country on lockdown this way but they will be able to say we aren't locked down

Waxonwaxoff0 · 14/09/2020 05:56

Really hope not. Unless they reintroduce furlough I'll probably lose my job.

notanoctopus · 14/09/2020 05:56

If they don't sort out testing, then may have to. How else do we keep a lid on it?

PopsicleHustler · 14/09/2020 06:00

I think it is extremely likely and probably end of October or even before.
No one gives a hoot about social distancing. My Instagram is chocker block with everyone going to parties and illegal street races, bending over and twerking and grinding on everyone, going to weddings and christening and hugging and holding everyone's baby and relatives. Going to barbecues and mixing and hugging. It's really sad. And it's not just a couple of people. Women in the playground high fiving, hugging, cuddling waiting for the bell to ring to collect their kids.
It's really stupid.
The numbers are peaking. And to be honest, I am really irritated. I thought the numbers were going down and cases were going down. I was happy as am due on January and was hoping for better options for my husband to be with me when giving birth.
It's all a massive shambles. I hate this! Probably even have a 3rd lockdown over winter too

PopsicleHustler · 14/09/2020 06:01

Really feel for you @waxonwaxoff0 a real palaver for your job. I'm lucky I have worked from home the past two years.

PopsicleHustler · 14/09/2020 06:17

Well said @Fololomolo

Remmy123 · 14/09/2020 06:42

Highly unlikely in my opinion - they can't furlough any more, people just wont do it. No one really trusts a Boris either, actually don't think he knows what he is doing.

PremierInn · 14/09/2020 06:44

@PJsEveryday

maze76 I totally agree with you. The change from flatten the curve to almost eradication type policy made me think that there was something about this virus that was not being made public. think it is the long term damage that has changed how this virus is dealt with and because so much is unknown. Its not simply a worry that X number people will get lung damage. But that some will get lung damage, some heart damage, some neurological, some nerve, for some it will be psychosis, and for some it combination of the above. I think this is what is ot being h made public and I think you are right - we got given some easing of restrictions because the government knew there was a strong possibility of a second lockdown, in winter, which will not gk down well at all. 🙁 I do think in a year, 18 months, life will be back to a more recognizable normal but this has long stopped being about the death rate and more about long covid, which will ultimately also have a damaging effect on the economy if Covid is left to rip through the population.
Its called mission creep. Happens all the time. So much so, there's a name for it. If you lie to your populace about what can be achieved by lockdown, they drive the expectation of eradication. Then you add in mass hysteria effect and ... here we are ... flatten the curve and protect the nhs no longer the goals
SqidgeBum · 14/09/2020 06:53

Sorry but do people still genuinely believe eradication is a possibility?

Sundiamond · 14/09/2020 06:54

Just to say that I would that, whilst figures have increased significantly in Israel, I suspect the decision for a second lockdown was swayed considerably by the fact that there are two key Jewish holidays coming up. These usually mean big family/religious gatherings nation wide. This would be disastrous, so a lockdown is probably the way to circumvent that happening.

windyautumn · 14/09/2020 06:54

@MadameBlobby

They are probably waving this in the public's face as a form of scare tactic to try to get people to stop socialising.

This

How can it be so badly managed we’d be in a lockdown only a couple of months after the last one ended? Will it be worth it at this point with hospitals practically empty and the NHS at no risk whatsoever of being overwhelmed?

Just to say - hospitals are NOT empty! They are full to the brim of non covid sick people who are complex from the last lockdown. We are run off our feet with no capacity anywhere. The the outpatient clinics are finally back up and running and the backlog being worked through.

We've just got covid back in the hospital. We don't have a spare ward so one will have to be closed down, patients sent home to accommodate. That's a full ward that can't take patients. Restrictions will be brought in to reduce flow again. Non covid patients will suffer. Hospitals are NOT empty.

Midnightsky1 · 14/09/2020 07:01

I think it will be local lockdowns only. I don’t think people have the stomach for another full lockdown.

rubbishatballet · 14/09/2020 07:03

Are you sure this isn't for flu? That would be the normal time they do the flu vaccinations and there is no news of a covid vaccine being ready.

Yes, absolutely positive. It's the Covid-19 mass vaccination programme - the flu vaccination programme plans are (currently) separate.

TheDragQueen · 14/09/2020 07:03

You can’t eradicate a virus without a vaccine. It took 100 yrs to eradicate Small Pox and that was with a vaccine.

Newjez · 14/09/2020 07:04

I'm guessing @windyautumn, that winter is naturally a more busy time for the NHS anyway, with flu season, slips and trips on ice, bad driving conditions etc. So I expect the pressure will increase even without covid.

CarrotCakeCrumbs · 14/09/2020 07:04

If we have another lockdown I think we will see a huge spike in suicides. We already had a mental health crisis in this country before lockdown, since March the (already struggling) services have been abysmal - and another lockdown is just going to completely obliterate them.

There were more suicides during the 1st one so a 2nd lockdown will have an even worse impact.

On the other hand there are those with other illnesses that were ignored because of Covid as well, who are now in a far more serious condition than they were before, plus the cold and flu season looming (that we all have less immunity too this year thanks to being stuck inside for months), if the NHS has to deal with wards full of covid patients I'm not sure it will survive.

FrangipaniBlue · 14/09/2020 07:04

Lots of people (who can) are already working from home.

Except that this isn't true.

I have several friends who can (and have been) working from home but as soon as schools re-opened were told by their employers they had to get their arses back into offices Confused

I'd be happy with a partial lockdown to slow the spread if cases rise to fast, so for example schools open but pubs closed, restaurants takeaway only, no travel outside your own County unless it's work related.

BabyLlamaZen · 14/09/2020 07:05

I think things will stay open but with extremely strict rules and we can't see anyone at all outside of those locations.

BabyLlamaZen · 14/09/2020 07:08

Err I have doctor friends and they are very busy right now Confused

Oaktree55 · 14/09/2020 07:08

@Sundiamond ahh you mean large religious celebrations which could perhaps in U.K. be akin to Christmas get togethers.

Whilst we are a long way behind Israel (199 per million Covid cases) could we be in same situation give our track and trace failing in a few months. Yes.

Do people realise the testing has effectively collapsed recently. We have no real idea how many cases there are in U.K. over past 2 weeks. It could easily get out of control.

BabyLlamaZen · 14/09/2020 07:09

@Sundiamond

Just to say that I would that, whilst figures have increased significantly in Israel, I suspect the decision for a second lockdown was swayed considerably by the fact that there are two key Jewish holidays coming up. These usually mean big family/religious gatherings nation wide. This would be disastrous, so a lockdown is probably the way to circumvent that happening.
So Christmas might be lockdown
Quartz2208 · 14/09/2020 07:10

We still are under a fair amount of restrictions and I think these will continue and change over the next 3-6 months at least.

I dont think we will go back to March - there simply isnt the money there to do so and I am not convinced the evidence is there that is works.

The point about Israel though and locking down near holidays is a far one - I think we may have to be prepared for a harsh Christmas restrictions over that period (where most spend it inside in houses) may well happen

Newjez · 14/09/2020 07:11

@rubbishatballet

The NHS is planning for the mass vaccination programme to start in October, and I think the gov will do everything to hold off on another lockdown until they know how that's going (or not).
Just after they stopped it for safety reasons? I doubt it. Even if it was ready they would wait a month to let the dust settle. They could ramp up testing and include NHS staff. That would probably even make sense.
Quartz2208 · 14/09/2020 07:12

@BabyLlamaZen yes I think so

I think there will be a balancing act and anything that drives the economy forward will continue to be allowed (although with curfews potentially) and anything that doesnt will be squeezed. I expect we will have some harsh restrictions around private properties

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