How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

No I’m right about it.

oh fgs google it and don't talk rubbish. Life expectancy with HIV is near normal nowadays. It's one of the medical success stories.

Hopefully the same medical advances will happen with Covid 19.

@mac12

45,000 people didn't die 'of' Covid. 45,000 people died who had a positive Covid test within 28 days of death. Many of them will have died of something else - look at all the people who caught infection in hospital when in for other potentially serious illness.

This reminds me of HIV. People don’t die of HIV infection, which causes flu like symptoms for 2 weeks. They die a few years later because the virus then goes on to cause the collapse of their immune system. 35 million people dead. Let’s not be complacent this time.

What am I reading on here tonight

Horribly distasteful to say this is the same as HIV. It took nearly five years to even make a test for HIV because they just thought it only affected black men and gay men. You can’t even compare the two!

@sunglassesonthetable

No I’m right about it.

oh fgs google it and don't talk rubbish. Life expectancy with HIV is near normal nowadays. It's one of the medical success stories.

Hopefully the same medical advances will happen with Covid 19.

HIV cannot be cured. What are you talking about? You would die within three years with out medication.

The same medical advances? Wtf? Are you suggesting every single person who catches COVID will have to be on life long medication otherwise they will die? Younare aware that 80% of people that catch have mild to no symptoms ..,

There are a few cases where HIV has been cured by stem cell transplant, although this was an incidental finding, the transplants were to treat lymphoma.

@sunglassesonthetable

No I’m right about it.

oh fgs google it and don't talk rubbish. Life expectancy with HIV is near normal nowadays. It's one of the medical success stories.

Hopefully the same medical advances will happen with Covid 19.

Such a blasè attitude to a virus that is still rampant and untreated in many many parts of the world. U.K. people are lucky they can take medication which keeps them alive. The many in other parts of the world with out access to care for pretty quick. Once they catch it they never get rid of it. Most people with COVID have a mild cold they quickly recover from. Google it

@Pomegranatepompom

There are a few cases where HIV has been cured by stem cell transplant, although this was an incidental finding, the transplants were to treat lymphoma.

Two cases out of 35 million.

HIV cannot be cured. What are you talking about? You would die within three years with out medication.

Who said it could be cured?

People live with antivirals. Like diabetics live with insulin . Heart patients with Warfrin.
Not a ' death sentence'.

The point about HIV is that you do not know what a virus will do to you years down the line. It took years for scientists to make the link between the virus HIV & AIDS. Who knows what SARS Cov 2 will do? Nobody knows & I am astounded at how cavalier some people are.

This thread has officially gone off the deep end. Let's allow it to quietly come to a halt when the thread is full.

Such a blasè attitude to a virus that is still rampant and untreated in many many parts of the world. U.K. people are lucky they can take medication which keeps them alive.

I
Yep very lucky in the UK . Not blase at all. A lot of the medical treatment and drugs we can access in the UK is not available in many parts of the world.

Doesn't change the fact that it is here.

@Pomegranatepompom

There are a few cases where HIV has been cured by stem cell transplant, although this was an incidental finding, the transplants were to treat lymphoma.

I googled the stem cell. There is a bit more to it than two people have been ‘cured’

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00798-3

Few more than that.. but really meds are very effective now for HIV.

The same medical advances? Wtf? Are you suggesting every single person who catches COVID will have to be on life long medication otherwise they will die?

whaaat ? Course bloody not.

That medical advances will change the potential of COvid to be so devastating to certain parts of the population.

Still never seen that second wave.

Look a bit harder, doll.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/14/coronavirus-86-per-cent-of-doctors-in-england-expect-second-wave-in-next-six-months

Also, this, re just one of the many longer term effects of Covid:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/15/fears-covid-may-leave-thousands-in-uk-with-severe-kidney-disease-long-term-effects-coronavirus

And yet. So many sociopathic dumbdumbs, having tantrums about the curtailing of their social lives, or softplay opportunities!

I’m with you too.

cbt944 86% of doctors think there will be a second wave in six months 😂😂

Yeah real facts and figures there love !

Ffs seen it all now

Say what? Sorry, should I have whipped off and done a degree in stats before posting?

Winter is coming, darl.

HIV is pretty much a death sentence for everyone - don’t take this piss

Wow - I don’t even know where to start with that. HIV can now be so well managed that it is now merely a chronic disease . In fact, you can even get life insurance with HIV (and believe me, life insurers would not give life insurance to people with an average three year life expectancy ).

Ignorant and / or untrue comments like yours perpetuate the stigma of HIV which I had thought we’re going (clearly not).

Sadly though, my comments above of HIV now being a chronic disease to not apply to 3rd world countries and swathes of Africa where HIV remains a big killer in the absence of available healthcare and treatment

Ignorant and / or untrue comments like yours perpetuate the stigma of HIV which I had thought we’re going (clearly not).

Yep.

*Yeah real facts and figures there love !

Ffs seen it all now*

oh bore off. you're on MN ffs

Interesting thread Great to see how well informed some people are and hopefully others will become more so.

Even though comparisons are continually being made between Coronavirus and HIV they are really two very different types of virus. HIV, after initially contracted, will lie dormant in the body for many years before starting to cause other health conditions. Coronavirus doesn’t do this so the 2 shouldn’t be used together in discussing potential issues further down the line.

Sadly though, my comments above of HIV now being a chronic disease to not apply to 3rd world countries and swathes of Africa where HIV remains a big killer in the absence of available healthcare and treatment

Yes - this. Although there’s a lot of work being done sadly socioeconomic factors play a massive part in accessing effective healthcare and not just in 3rd world countries.

In the U.K. well over 90% of people living with HIV accessing treatment have undetectable viral loads and are living long healthy lives. It’s hoped that new diagnoses will be wiped out by 2030 with a lot of work being done in this area. However it needs people to test as there’s around 6-8,000 people living unknowingly with the virus with most diagnoses being late (ie many (well over 3!) years after contracting it.

HIVpos

I think the only similarities (not sure if that's the right word) between HIV and C19 is that they were/are both new diseases whereby the implications were/are not known on initial discovery and treatments not available initially. The initial wrong identification of at risk groups, trying to find treatments, not fully understanding the progression of the virus, modes of transmission and so on - those parallels I think are interesting to observe and if nothing else, we should have learned to keep an open mind and accept that what we initially believe to be true will change as more is discovered about a new virus.

Interestingly Dr Faucci led the fight against hiv in the US at the outset and admits how badly they got in wrong to begin with.

I think the only similarities (not sure if that's the right word) between HIV and C19 is that they were/are both new diseases whereby the implications were/are not known on initial discovery and treatments not available initially.

exactly

I think the other similarity is the blame attached to people for getting sick and spreading the virus to the virtuous.

It’s pretty horrible.

I think the other similarity is the blame attached to people for getting sick and spreading the virus to the virtuous

What?