How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

@SallySeven

The empty "recovered" column, if this is what you are referring to, is annoying when you are looking at comparing the stats and for completeness but it's hardly conspiracy material.

Let me know if you've anything concrete.

I don’t think the empty column is conspiracy material.- but nice of you to try and shut me up by saying am a conspiracy theorist ..

It’s just another example of how woefully inadequate this government is at giving the people the best possible information they have access too.

@Friendsoftheearth

code I think you will have a much stronger argument in eight weeks time if the infection rate is rocketing and we are still seeing relatively low hospital admissions. Until that point it is pure speculation, and an unnecessary risk to innocent people that could die because you were wrong.

I say it would be far more prudent to be cautious and accept the restrictions until we can be sure.

Eight weeks? Where have you got eight weeks from?

I’m still waiting for the second wave after VE Day, shops opening, crowded beaches AND 47,000 pubs opening up in July. Did you miss my post before about 33 MILLION customers going through weatherspoons door and only 60 contracting the virus.

Where are all the deaths and hospital admissions? The NHS gov website tells us we’re at the lowest point we’ve been in 25 weeks. All these new cases yet no rise in hospital admissions. Oh yeah it’s just young people ..

@Friendsoftheearth

code I think you will have a much stronger argument in eight weeks time if the infection rate is rocketing and we are still seeing relatively low hospital admissions. Until that point it is pure speculation, and an unnecessary risk to innocent people that could die because you were wrong.

I say it would be far more prudent to be cautious and accept the restrictions until we can be sure.

And your eight weeks time is eight weeks of elderly people’s lives who are stuck in care homes with out being able to see their families. My friend has not been able to see her mother who has dementia for 4 months - what kind of end life is that? Or a lady in my village who hadn’t seen her 11 year old son for five months who is in a care home for severe disabilities. This is not right.

You should questioning and getting angry for all the people that are suffering rather than swallowing what your being force fed Because you ok with it.

Did you miss my post before about 33 MILLION customers going through weatherspoons door and only 60 contracting the virus.

I certainly did.

33 million customers?

Just seen it @Codexdivinchi

But we've had SD since then

Jeez but 33 million customers have been to Wetherspoons since pubs reopened? ??

God alive is that true? where did you find that number? ?

We have more than 30 million piss stained alcoholics in a nation of 65 million? Who would have thought.

Jeez but 33 million customers have been to Wetherspoons since pubs reopened? ??

Wow!

Just probably read the same CNN report as you @Codexdivinchi

The 66 people who tested for Covid refer to STAFF only not to the customers.

And ole Wetherspoons has spent £15 on SD measures to make that happen.

It's that firm grasp of statistics that sways me @Codexdivinchi

33 million visits isn't 33 million people

Were you passing on the dumb meme about eat out numbers as well, where it says that all but 3 million of the population had taken part?

This is why I don't rate your analytical skills, and won't be bothering to take you seriously.

And 33 million visits seems unlikely as well

I think 33 million visits is highly likely

@DameFanny

It's that firm grasp of statistics that sways me *@Codexdivinchi*

33 million visits isn't 33 million people

Were you passing on the dumb meme about eat out numbers as well, where it says that all but 3 million of the population had taken part?

This is why I don't rate your analytical skills, and won't be bothering to take you seriously.

Fanny I can’t take you seriously either. You’ve a wealth of information you can access but you’d rather sit slack jawed nodding at the news.

33 million customers or not the 60 ( 66) positive covid results were NOT taken from any of the customers anyway. That is UNKNOWN.

They were from the staff who served them. ( despite the £££ spent on SD ) You either muddled that one up @Codexdivinchi or were being deliberately manipulative.

codex you fucked up. You said ‘people’ instead of ‘customers‘ - it have a COVID enjoyer a joyous reason to disregard what you’ve been saying

I follow both of those links on twitter ( Carl Heneghan is also great and is involved in CEMB) and I’ve been getting more and more frustrated at the lack of awareness from people that the figures and the restrictions to not add up. We’ve now got the bloody COVID police wandering around

Don’t waste your breath. Many feel just like you.

@sunglassesonthetable

33 million customers or not the 60 ( 66) positive covid results were NOT taken from any of the customers anyway. That is UNKNOWN.

They were from the staff who served them. ( despite the £££ spent on SD ) You either muddled that one up @Codexdivinchi or were being deliberately manipulative.

Yeah yeah I was being manipulative- you got me.

If there was huge spikes in these pubs they would have been closed down due to track and trace.

Still never seen that second wave.

codex you fucked up. You said ‘people’ instead of ‘customers‘ -

Nope. Got a lot more muddled than that. And then declared it as fact.

The biggest medical study ever on Covid curtesy of Wetherspoons 🤦‍♀️ You read it here.

yeah I was being manipulative- you got me.

well I didn't like to say stupid ( though I'm sure you'd be happy to be that rude given your previous comments)

Still @Codexdivinchi you've educated me on Wetherspoons.

33 million - had no idea

f there was huge spikes in these pubs they would have been closed down due to track and trace.

Luckily they are SD.

Wetherspoons spent 15 million on that. remember.

Some people seem to be equating current reported deaths (a lot of which occurred some time ago but are only being reported/confirmed now) with current reported cases. Thereby completely failing to understand the concept of a lagging indicator.

Infections occurring now will be deaths in an average of 3 weeks time (those infections that result in deaths obviously, the overwhelming majority won't). Most of those deaths will be reported as such some time after they occur, therefore will only show in the figures in 3,4,5,6 weeks time (or even longer).

Currently reported deaths tell you almost nothing about future deaths as currently reported deaths are from infections that occurred at least 3 weeks ago, but usually longer.

Which is why current infection numbers and their rate of growth is what is important, as that is what will give you some indication of future deaths (and hospital capacity requirements).

@sunglassesonthetable

codex you fucked up. You said ‘people’ instead of ‘customers‘ -

Nope. Got a lot more muddled than that. And then declared it as fact.

The biggest medical study ever on Covid curtesy of Wetherspoons 🤦‍♀️ You read it here.

The reason why your pulling apart my mistake is because you can’t bear the fact that actually things are not so bad and that will make you feel stupid for believing what the news and government say instead of looking for facts yourself.

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The reason why your pulling apart my mistake is because you can’t bear the fact that actually things are not so bad and that will make you feel stupid for believing what the news and government say instead of looking for facts yourself.*

Nope . Not all . 🤷‍♀️ Your just a randomer on the internet while I'm waiting in a queue.

And it sounded so stupid. 🤦‍♀️

Is that your new name?

Codex I'm here willing to listen to you but I am losing the will to give you the benefit of the doubt it's true.

Yes the authorities are incompetent at times. But not providing a number for a comparison table?! Come on now.

instead of looking for facts yourself.

and misinterpreting them 👍🏻

You should questioning and getting angry for all the people that are suffering rather than swallowing what your being force fed Because you ok with it

Yes I am getting angry, I am getting angry with people like you.

Your examples of care homes and disabled children is very extreme, and not even true. Most care homes here have been accepting visitors in the garden for months. The disabled children - ditto. You are just trying to whip up unrest. The people in care homes with a little luck may well have more restrictions to keep them safe in the coming months, but at least they will survive covid and be able to enjoy many more years if they are fortunate. If you had it your way the care homes would be riddled with covid within weeks if not days.

You seemingly prize freedom over life.

I hope you are aware that there is a second wave already just a few miles from Dover, and we live in a global world, we would be stupid not to take the situation in Europe very seriously. France, Spain and parts of the Netherlands are now considering another lockdown, or would you rather the hospitals were overwhelmed again before we did anything?

I honestly despair, if you are for real. It is only a short period of time we have been asked to adjust our lives to keep others safe, do you not feel it is the least you can do given dying from covid is so painful and frightening?