When will there be a backlash against these rule breakers?

[annabel85]

We know the government made errors back in March. They should have locked down quicker and messed up with care homes. However, the issue now is people not following rules. House parties, raves, mixing in big groups. People are blaming the government for the new rule of 6 and not the shameless delinquents who have been breaking rules.

The government have issued a clear warning to people with the new legislation. Follow the rules or cases will get worse and further restrictions will come. How long till people snap at those who aren't taking this seriously? The tolerance of the law abiding majority can only stretch so far.

PS - leave Cummings out of it. This is about the here and now.

We only have the word of the government it’s house parties and raves. As I don’t trust a word they say I’m not convinced. The bulk of the population doing Eat Out to Help Out seems more likely to have caused a spike.
And we can’t leave Cummings out of it. He destroyed people’s respect for the regulations. The effect of that is ongoing.

There won’t be.

There will be more and more people who join them as people realise this is no way for humans to live especially when it’s a virus that the overwhelming majority will survive and mainly kills those at the end of life.

We need to live not just survive

No because I think the majority are fed up now. I think if there is backlash against anyone it'll be the government and the clipboard wielding covid Marshalls and the reporting neighbours.

There is no real evidence that following these lockdown measures actually work. There is not much difference in infection rates among countries with widely differing social distancing policies. These isolation rules will cause mental health issues and economic turndown which in turn will cause deaths in the long term.

@ACautionaryTale

There won’t be.

There will be more and more people who join them as people realise this is no way for humans to live especially when it’s a virus that the overwhelming majority will survive and mainly kills those at the end of life.

We need to live not just survive

But the government have been clear. If we want a normal Christmas we need to behave now and not break the rules. A lot of people will surely be angry at those breaking the rules if it means Christmas is cancelled.

Your kids are all fine at school but in England are counted as part of the 6 because they are a risk?

A family of five can't have both grandparents to visit, so mum can go out to her friends house where 6 friends from different households have a few drinks, and leave 3 kids with hubby and grandparents... so basically 7 different households still mixing

Eat out to help out has packed out every eating establishment for the past month and shock horror it has spread

Boris still trying to make everyone work in offices with loads of other people, that's fine but don't mix with your friends

Boris and his crew are just leaping from fuck up to fuck up. This isn't about being Tory or labour or Lib Dem or whatever, this is about our current PM and his front bench being absolutely incompetent buffoons.

The government say a lot of things. Practically none of them true. If they said the sky was blue id go outside and check.

@ACautionaryTale

There won’t be.

There will be more and more people who join them as people realise this is no way for humans to live especially when it’s a virus that the overwhelming majority will survive and mainly kills those at the end of life.

We need to live not just survive

Well my family had had a lovely summer within the old guidelines and had come up with plans for the winter to continue to enjoy life.

I’m fucking pissed off at anyone who thinks their so special the guidelines don’t apply to them and add to the already shit situation all because of their precious opinions.

You’re right, life is for living and it’s too short to spend creeping round the feelings of twats who are so deep in denial they need a fucking excavation team to rescue them.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

No because I think the majority are fed up now. I think if there is backlash against anyone it'll be the government and the clipboard wielding covid Marshalls and the reporting neighbours.

Exactly this I was a Boris supporter but I am pissed off it is all lies protect the nhs /track and trace /back to normal by Xmas yes I will wash my hand and SD but no way am I keeping away from my family enough is enough I know about 20 people had this and survived ! I even think I did .. it has been here since dec and we lived with it before it ain't going anywhere

I'm not likely to breach the new rule of 6 as I am not really a big socialiser, but I think it much more likely that there will be a backlash against the actual rules themselves, which are arbitrary and seem to make little sense.

Children can be in bubbles of 30+ or even a more in schools yet the moment they are outside the school gates they cannot be in groups of more than 6???? Ridiculous. I'm sure there are plenty of other anomalies, not to mention that complete arse Dominic Cummings. He didn't even last one night of lockdown, with rules that he himself largely wrote.

Large family gatherings were the cause of the Leicester problems. You could clearly see what was going on but the authorities did not act fir fear of being branded racist. It's still a problem, I manage halls and am getting daily requests for rentals (all refused) for large parties including for next weekend AFTER the 6 person rule was announced (they claimed it didnt apply because they were related) .

House parties, bbqs, raves ... it's informal gatherings rather than sitting in restaurants that's the issue. The problem is the same in other parts of the country and it's not one community I should add, just in Leicester it was a specific demographic

I agree that eat out to help out and get back to the office have been as unhelpful as the house parties have, covid wise, but were economical decisions.

The government can’t cancel Christmas. People will do what they want.

Everyone is fed up. Covid is here to stay, we have to live with it. Not just survive.

@movingonup20

Large family gatherings were the cause of the Leicester problems. You could clearly see what was going on but the authorities did not act fir fear of being branded racist. It's still a problem, I manage halls and am getting daily requests for rentals (all refused) for large parties including for next weekend AFTER the 6 person rule was announced (they claimed it didnt apply because they were related) .

House parties, bbqs, raves ... it's informal gatherings rather than sitting in restaurants that's the issue. The problem is the same in other parts of the country and it's not one community I should add, just in Leicester it was a specific demographic

Wasn't there a big outbreak in Leicester from what was essentially an illegal sweatshop factory?

The government didn't make mistakes back in March. They have been wrong headed about almost everything they do, and depend on people being stupid enough to believe the blame game they pedal. It's apparently everyone's fault but theirs. This is a virus. This is nature. It had about as much time for government as I do.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

No because I think the majority are fed up now. I think if there is backlash against anyone it'll be the government and the clipboard wielding covid Marshalls and the reporting neighbours.

This is my feeling too, and I really hope it is what happens.

Agree that the backlash will be agai St the rules and the rule enforcers... People have had enough. The govt new this would happen aswell. Remember Boris himself said he delayedockdown as people will only put up with it for so long.

Now we are the scape goats not the govt anymore. Which to be honest I'm OK with. The overwhelming majority will survive this with no long term effect. Which if we lock down anymore will not be the case as our mental health etc will take a huge hit.

The Cummings excuse is pathetic, you sound like a stroppy teenager. I've not heard anyone mention it here. Yes he did wrong but it's no excuse for you to do wrong.

The group rule is different in Scotland. You can only have 2 households in a group of 6 , but unders 12s dont count in the number count.

I'm sick of restrictions because of those not following the rules. One of the news headlines today said more ppl are annoyed over the rules breakers than they are over Brexit.

mainly kills those at the end of life - the death rate for over 70s is high - they are very much at risk. Do you see these people as being at the "end of life"? I am not sure you will feel that is so when it is your turn.

The New Scientist believes the R number is more like 1.7 at the moment. So the risk of spread is going up all the time.

There is no right way to gradually pull back from lockdown - it will cause the R number to rise and cases and deaths. It has to be carefully monitored.

It is easy to forget how young front line workers were dying in the NHS just a few short months ago; and intensive dare units ere overflowing. This is what we can avoid if people stick to the rules.

I think that Boris and his crew are nuts to encourage people back to their workplaces at this stage, especially as working from home has in the main not been to the detriment of businesses. Wales has got it right.

Fundamentally, we are where we are because the government has failed, time and time again. Everything too little, too late, and an abject failure to put into place an adequate track and trace system. I'll follow the rules but if people are voting with their feet I can hardly blame them.

"care"

Christmas won't be cancelled. Financially it is too big a contributor to the economy, and people also just won't wear that. I would flout that one.

I have parents for whom it could be their last Christmas together. If I want to see them then I bloody well will.

Annabel if you are following the rules on order for a more relaxed Christmas then I think you will be very disappointed.

‘Not following the rules’, ‘shameless delinquents’, ‘behave now’...

Matt, is that you??

But the government have been clear. If we want a normal Christmas we need to behave now and not break the rules. A lot of people will surely be angry at those breaking the rules if it means Christmas is cancelled.
I would rather see my family (8 of us from 2 households) normally for the next three months than not see them for months and trust the government to then "allow" us to get together for one day.