When will there be a backlash against these rule breakers?

[annabel85]

We know the government made errors back in March. They should have locked down quicker and messed up with care homes. However, the issue now is people not following rules. House parties, raves, mixing in big groups. People are blaming the government for the new rule of 6 and not the shameless delinquents who have been breaking rules.

The government have issued a clear warning to people with the new legislation. Follow the rules or cases will get worse and further restrictions will come. How long till people snap at those who aren't taking this seriously? The tolerance of the law abiding majority can only stretch so far.

PS - leave Cummings out of it. This is about the here and now.

Sweden are looking good and they’ve had no lockdown or worn masks, I think this country has caused a lot of problem for many people with little end in sight.

Swedes are more civilised and selfless as well though. They'll adhere to social distancing, they've not got so many going to raves and parties and it's also a much more sparsely populated nation; therefore the virus won't spread as much.

They don't need rules because the government can show trust to Swednes know it won't be give an inch take a mile.

@midgebabe

Says who? Evidence?

The best estimate fatality rate stands at between 0.6 and 1%. Assuming you have a functioning health service. That's between 400,000 and 670,000 deaths if everyone had the virus, his ballpark figure was 500,000.

I don't think the fatality rate is 1% though is it?

I don't think it's right to demonise any age group. It just spreads hate...why should a 20 year old do the right thing if it's assumed they are not?

WHO best estimates say 0.5 to 1% ...just double checked the latest data

I think it's complicated because it depends on the age profile of each country and well as low testing levels at the start

@ACautionaryTale

There won’t be.

There will be more and more people who join them as people realise this is no way for humans to live especially when it’s a virus that the overwhelming majority will survive and mainly kills those at the end of life.

We need to live not just survive

I don’t see my parents or in laws who are in their 70s as anywhere near the end of their life. Yet there risk of dying from covid is high. Personally I’m appalled by the attitudes of so many who seem to think it doesn’t matter if anyone over the age of 70 or with a pre existing health condition dies, as long as they can keep up their social life.

The government seem to want to spread hate, and it’s clearly having the desired affect.

I wonder who they will blame next

The government don’t deserve the levels of compliance they’ve been getting let alone more

The government deserve fuck all. We deserve to keep safe from this but people only care about themselves so compliance is not important for them. It's a country of selfish fuckers.

@annabel85

Sweden are looking good and they’ve had no lockdown or worn masks, I think this country has caused a lot of problem for many people with little end in sight.

Swedes are more civilised and selfless as well though. They'll adhere to social distancing, they've not got so many going to raves and parties and it's also a much more sparsely populated nation; therefore the virus won't spread as much.

They don't need rules because the government can show trust to Swednes know it won't be give an inch take a mile.

Omg Swedes are not magical beings ffs. There will be Swedish rule breakers too op.

Interesting reading responses here. Strange too. There is another thread about civil unrest where the overwhelming majority of people told OP that there would be no civil unrest and no civil disobedience. The OP was told to grow up and that it was irresponsible not to follow the rules.

I have followed all the guidance up to date. I have accepted the limitations and curtailment of normal activities for the greatest good and the greatest number and all that....(bit of utilitarian morality).

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, before I am accused of wearing a tinfoil hat. The government (and indeed all Western democracies) have been watching, infiltrating and collecting intelligence on all single issue protest groups, anti capitalists and anarchist groups. A think tank was set up to watch and analyse the activities of all of these groups. Civil unrest has been on the rise since protesters disrupted the G20 in Seattle in 1999. Anti terror laws now allow governments including our own to hold political dissidents and protesters indefinitely under anti-terrorism laws. Where this isn't possible people can and have been held under the metal health act.

The government fully expects civil unrest. I don't believe that Covid is the crisis, I believe that Covid is the convenient fear inducing pretext this and other world governments need in order to ramp up control. We are at a point of permanent state of exception. The state fears unrest within its boarders and permanent war outside of its boarders.

Crisis was looming anyway. And we now have an economic crisis that governments and mainstream economists would have you believe has a single cause.....Covid. I would disagree.

The government and the media is now trying to polarise sections of the community, blaming them for the increase in virus transmission. This is all text book. History tells us that right wing/fascist states ) choose to divide the population and to single out specific groups. These divisive tactics are a hallmark of a state that fears loosing its grip. So no I won't be turning on the rule breakers. I will though continue to follow all reasonable guidelines that make sense in order to protect myself, and others health. Its a virus and in terms of its spread it behaves just like every other virus, so I will continue to social distance and avoid public spaces, crowds and mixing with lots of people.

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

If we have to leave Cummings out of it, can we talk about Neil Ferguson? He's the one who got us into the lockdown mess with his wildly inaccurate predictions and then broke quarantine to go meet his mistress or something?

I didn’t realise Neil Ferguson was responsible for advising most of the countries in the world (who went into lockdown).

@TrustTheGeneGenie

The government say a lot of things. Practically none of them true. If they said the sky was blue id go outside and check.

If they said my eyes were Blue id Have to check...

@caughtalightsneeze

I have stuck to the rules all along and will continue to. It's no skin off my nose because I'm a homebody anyway.

But it's perfectly reasonable to point out that the hypocrisy of the government when it comes to Dominic Cummings. Essentially what they were saying is that the rules apply to you, the ordinary people, but not to everyone. If you're important enough, the rules don't apply.

People are not petulant teenagers for being angry about this stuff. People up and down the country have faced financial hardship the likes of which they never thought they would see. People who have always worked and always wanted to work being told that it was now illegal for them to operate their businesses and earn money to keep a roof over their head and food on their table. And they did that, for the greater good, only to see their Prime Minister's influential mate piss all over them because he was so much more important. Why the hell would they not be angry? And why would they listen to the rules now when it has been proven that they don't apply to everyone?

Nicely put

Im following the rules as much as i can

I’m still Allowed be pissed Off with the government handling of the pandemic to a greater or lesser extent

And to be pissed off with the cummings debacle, very much do as i say not as i do...lots and lots of comedic joy to be had joking about eye tests...its rare that a covid conversation is held with friends without eye tests being brought up 😀

@BF2748

Sweden are looking good and they’ve had no lockdown or worn masks, I think this country has caused a lot of problem for many people with little end in sight.

Have you read the Swedish rules? Quite a lot of things are closed/banned as a result of no public gathering of over 50 people. Plus they have SD advice which is generally being followed.

Personally I’m appalled by the attitudes of so many who seem to think it doesn’t matter if anyone over the age of 70 or with a pre existing health condition dies, as long as they can keep up their social life.

It's not just social lives, it's entire industries due to the knock on effect it's all had. It's worsening unemployment and poverty and soon, homelessness. People become unwilling to compromise when their own livelihoods, homes, children's well-beings are at stake. And no government can afford to have more and more people sat at home collecting expensive furlough or propping up industries than simply cannot survive with these social restrictions; there were already far too many who were economically active for many years before this with these higher life expectancies and early retirements and hence a serious social care problem before Covid.

What do you suggest? The government magic up money (they can't borrow much more, they can't afford to service the debt and they don't look like a good debtor due to the real possibility of no deal Brexit) to pay for a two-tiered society of those lucky enough to be sat at home and those who have to do the work to keep society running? What if there is never a vaccine? What if it's full of side effects and people don't take it up?

And in the world outside people are getting pissed with rule breakers...

But only SOME rule breakers, not them...not the small rules they are breaking

But the rule breakers that the government and media tell us about

Ya gg guys you sound like Eric Cartman, now have a seat, shut the fuck up and start behaving like a responsible adult.

I've not even broken any of their bloody rules but shit like this makes we want to go out, lick everything and cough in the faces of passing strangers.
You shut the fuck up instead.

The covert and even overt survival of the fittest rhetoric is chilling.

@MaxNormal

Ya gg guys you sound like Eric Cartman, now have a seat, shut the fuck up and start behaving like a responsible adult.

I've not even broken any of their bloody rules but shit like this makes we want to go out, lick everything and cough in the faces of passing strangers.
You shut the fuck up instead.

It’s annoying isn’t it 🙂

@MaxNormal

Ya gg guys you sound like Eric Cartman, now have a seat, shut the fuck up and start behaving like a responsible adult.

I've not even broken any of their bloody rules but shit like this makes we want to go out, lick everything and cough in the faces of passing strangers.
You shut the fuck up instead.

Ok Cartman

@gypsywater

The covert and even overt survival of the fittest rhetoric is chilling.

The virus is going to circulate, though, possibly forever. What do you suggest as an alternative to lockdowns, which will cause huge unemployment once the furlough scheme ends and entire industries will go to the wall?

"Normal" would mean that big parties at Christmas and in the 6 months before hand would be absolutely legal and fine.

I think any day now tbh OP. I've sharpened up my pitch fork and I'll be watching next door like a hawk in case Doris next door has six members of her family round for tea instead of five.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

And in the world outside people are getting pissed with rule breakers...

But only SOME rule breakers, not them...not the small rules they are breaking

But the rule breakers that the government and media tell us about

Yes definitely.

There is no way that the rules can be totally consistent and logical. We are feeling our way here with an unknown; gradually allowing more contacts in one sphere in order to free up another.

There really is no choice. The lack of compliance with the rules is pitiful, anti-social, infantile and petulant.

None of us like being told what to do; but some have the wit to realise that we are in an unprecedented situation and that we just have to suck it up in the interests of us all.

Personally I do not think the government is being careful enough - there is absolutely no reason why people should not continue to work from home if it has not caused a productivity problem. Listening to Boris encouraging people to get back to their offices is beyond frustrating. He is a very silly man indeed and it is so sad that he is in power at this moment in time.

I re-opened my shop on Wednesday after being shut for the entirety of lockdown as we are non-essential, I was also sorting my late mothers estate and we had alot to do to make our shop Covid unfriendly.

We publicised massively and had alot of promised custom on social media.

Wednesday we had about 20 customers / visitors. Yesterday we had substantially fewer; today by 3.00pm I actually poured myself a vodka because it was tumbleweed time. We did then have a couple of customers who just about covered my daily overheads.

Part of this is because our town, after months of being consistently low in case numbers has had about half a dozen cases reported in the immediate locale, mostly from pubs - the big chain has remained open, the small independent bar shut for two days for a deep clean. The news that the 6 people rule was coming in is likely another factor in the sudden lack of footfall. We're not in the busiest area but we're niche so people do come specially.

What I can't stand is the blame game.

Most people have been following the rules as best they can while also trying to support the local economy as far as I have observed. The rise in cases could be due to so many factors - if it's within households well it's come in from somewhere. It's a virus. We're all on tenterhooks trying to avoid catching it - it means isolation, loss of income, the fear of who one might have been in contact with between getting a test - if you can get one in the right time frame at all - and now there is the rabid finger pointing and accusations of wrong - doing - because if you've got it you must have broken a rule / guideline / law - whatthefuckever. The desire to heap shame upon people who have unwittingly picked up a virus is awful to see. And if you're asymptomatic what then? You wouldn't even know FFS.

Yes, caution is needed. Witch burnings are not.