“Covid marshals to be introduced”

[Funkypolar]

To enforce social distancing.

No doubt they will find many volunteers on Mumsnet!

On a happier note:

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-social-distancing-gatherings-rules-covid-vaccine/

@PennyDreadfuI your concern about these marshalls sounds very out of proportion. As your own post says, the marshall will be reminding people to wear masks, not carting people off to prison camps for non-compliance. Too many people have got blasé about wearing masks, so some reminders will hopefully improve compliance.

@Fosler to compare public health measures for a pandemic to the experience of women in Libya is ridiculous hyperbole.

Nobody misunderstands the rules (not laws) on facemask wearing as they exist now. Do you really think that's not going to change as part of the new measures that will introduce the covid marshals? Deluded.

[quote AntiHop]@PennyDreadfuI your concern about these marshalls sounds very out of proportion. As your own post says, the marshall will be reminding people to wear masks, not carting people off to prison camps for non-compliance. Too many people have got blasé about wearing masks, so some reminders will hopefully improve compliance.

@Fosler to compare public health measures for a pandemic to the experience of women in Libya is ridiculous hyperbole.[/quote]
If you were exempt, and had had to put up with the abuse, threats and filthy looks exempt people are subjected to almost every time we go outside, you'd be concerned too. These are people who claim to be following The Rules but clearly have absolutely no understanding of them. Then you have people like Nestme who think it's reasonable that rape survivors be 'hassled' by marshals (and should accept the 'bitchiness' levelled at them by the general public). Imagine if people who behave like this were made marshals (and let's face it, they're exactly the type who'll apply for the posts).

I didn't suggest they'd be carting people off to prison camps. Humiliating rape survivors and those with rare chronic illnesses, for example, is a very likely outcome.

[quote PinkSparklyPussyCat]@RedToothBrush there doesn't seem to be a happy medium, it's going from one extreme to the other. I did get sucked in at first and told DH he couldn't clear out our garage as it's in the service road behind the house and not on our garden! Thankfully I pulled myself together and followed the rules rather than the made up ones![/quote]
Indeed but a happy medium isnt being encourage - its part of the media culture war in which everything is reduced to inaccurate black and white thinking rather than encouraging shades of grey as a thing if beauty. Social media drives things into polarised camps where you are either a supporter or the enemy.

It does my tits in.

Nothing is that simplistic in life however much we want it to be.

@Nestme

Nobody misunderstands the rules (not laws) on facemask wearing as they exist now. Do you really think that's not going to change as part of the new measures that will introduce the covid marshals? Deluded.

Unless you are very dim or deliberately trying to malign the mask guidance by nitpicking and focussing on possible loopholes, the rules is very clear in the vast majority of cases. If I go in to a shop, or onto a bus, I must wear a mask unless I cannot (not will not) do so - very simple.

@TheClaws

No, me and my 'ilk' as you so charmingly put it haven't shouted anyone down. I'm more than happy to listen to anyone reasonable, but they are often in short supply.

Really? Almost every thread is packed with them. They're coordinated attacks sometimes from the ongoing AD thread in Chat. Even your "reasonable people are in short supply" backs up my thoughts that the threads are full of - well, just you types bullying others.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a bully.

I take it you think it was OK for me to be called thick etc and told I shouldn't leave the house (and I'm very much aware that far worse has been said to other posters) and that's not a form of bullying?

@Nestme

Nobody misunderstands the rules (not laws) on facemask wearing as they exist now. Do you really think that's not going to change as part of the new measures that will introduce the covid marshals? Deluded.

Sadly many people do misunderstand the rules - for example, those who make them up as they go along. The ones who think people need to show proof/wear a lanyard/aren't trying hard enough/should just stay at home/'try a visor' if they're exempt, for example. The ones who think it's ok to abuse people who aren't wearing masks. The ones, basically, who have either not read the rules, or just interpreted them as they see fit.

Sadly many people do misunderstand the rules - for example, those who make them up as they go along. The ones who think people need to show proof/wear a lanyard/aren't trying hard enough/should just stay at home/'try a visor' if they're exempt, for example. The ones who think it's ok to abuse people who aren't wearing masks. The ones, basically, who have either not read the rules, or just interpreted them as they see fit.

There, corrected that for you. No misunderstanding or misapplication of any guidelines (there aren't currently any rules), personal opinion and thoughts, to which everyone is entitled. Though I would suggest anybody in your second category is a massive twat.

@Nestme

Sadly many people do misunderstand the rules - for example, those who make them up as they go along. The ones who think people need to show proof/wear a lanyard/aren't trying hard enough/should just stay at home/'try a visor' if they're exempt, for example. The ones who think it's ok to abuse people who aren't wearing masks. The ones, basically, who have either not read the rules, or just interpreted them as they see fit.

There, corrected that for you. No misunderstanding or misapplication of any guidelines (there aren't currently any rules), personal opinion and thoughts, to which everyone is entitled. Though I would suggest anybody in your second category is a massive twat.

So you think that people who would abuse others for not wearing a mask are massive twats? That doesn't really square with I want them to be prepared to put up with the people bitching at them and, inevitably, these covid marshals hassling them, as you said upthread, does it?

@AlecTrevelyan006

We appear to have stepped through some sort of hysterical looking glass where the infection of a rising but statistically minute number of viral infections in otherwise healthy young adults and the deaths of an infinitesimally small number of elderly people with underlying health conditions merits economic ruination and wholesale withdrawal of civil liberties.

That people are accepting this and some are even supporting it tells me that the Nudge Unit has a lot to answer for

I agree (and this surprises me)

We are certainly staring down (part way down?) the barrel of economic ruination if you add in the upheaval of Brexit.

And civil liberties are easier to withdraw (although compliance may be more of an issue this time) but harder to win back from the Govt.
There may be valid reasons for curtailing them at present (though that is perhaps a whole other thread?) but 'Marshals' sounds worrying

*So anyone who disagrees with you is a bully.

I take it you think it was OK for me to be called thick etc and told I shouldn't leave the house (and I'm very much aware that far worse has been said to other posters) and that's not a form of bullying?*

Not at all, Pink. I appreciate a good debate. I don't appreciate rudeness, arrogance and lack of empathy. I've seen some of your posts and I don't think you can claim a clean record here. No-one should be called be called thick, no. I don't think that was OK.

Very funny photo at the end of this thread on Twitter:

twitter.com/ianhamilton_/status/1303840902205575170

your concern about these marshalls sounds very out of proportion. As your own post says, the marshall will be reminding people to wear masks, not carting people off to prison camps for non-compliance. Too many people have got blasé about wearing masks, so some reminders will hopefully improve compliance

This is just such nonsense. Try coping for just one day with the abuse that is thrown at people who are exempt and then come back to me.

I am gobsmacked at how people are cheerleading for this kind of rubbish. This is how these things start. Slowly. Drip, drip, drip. It is for your own good. It is because you didn't follow the rules. Report your neighbours.

We appear to have stepped through some sort of hysterical looking glass where the infection of a rising but statistically minute number of viral infections in otherwise healthy young adults and the deaths of an infinitesimally small number of elderly people with underlying health conditions merits economic ruination and wholesale withdrawal of civil liberties

A million per cent this.

Should have called them something other than marshals. That's the problem that I see.

But I can't think of another more sensitive title to reflect what their role will actually be, which to my mind will be nothing like some of the descriptions posted here.

I think it will be reassuring quite frankly to have someone, anyone keeping an eye out for flagrant breaches of the rules.

@TheClaws

*So anyone who disagrees with you is a bully.

I take it you think it was OK for me to be called thick etc and told I shouldn't leave the house (and I'm very much aware that far worse has been said to other posters) and that's not a form of bullying?*

Not at all, Pink. I appreciate a good debate. I don't appreciate rudeness, arrogance and lack of empathy. I've seen some of your posts and I don't think you can claim a clean record here. No-one should be called be called thick, no. I don't think that was OK.

I don't claim to have a clean slate and I have apologised where I've overstepped the mark in the past. There seems to be the people who are genuinely scared, those who don't care and those who are actually enjoying the drama, i.e. the milk mafia as someone described them.

Do you know what l really hate about this whole situation? The way people who would normally be able to discuss and debate are turning on each other. I'm obviously including myself in this and it's not something I'm proud of. I hope one day things will get back to normal.

If they’d just do what’s asked of them, there would be no need for these people to monitor us

Ha! Now doesn't this sounds fascist. "You didn't follow the rules, so we're enforcing them for your own good". Blame the public and not the inept government who have failed to convince many that their contradictory measures even make sense.

On the question of "is it the government's responsibility to save lives"....well, yes, but it's not that simple. For example the government could save many lives indeed if they just banned driving or made the limit everywhere 20mph, but that would be too disruptive to the country, so they choose not to. Every action has to be proportionate to the scale of the problem. Do I think shutting down the economy/NHS and potentially causing widespread poverty/unemployment is proportionate to the threat of a disease with a death rate between 0.1-0.6% in elderly people? No I don't.

@yolio

Should have called them something other than marshals. That's the problem that I see.

But I can't think of another more sensitive title to reflect what their role will actually be, which to my mind will be nothing like some of the descriptions posted here.

I think it will be reassuring quite frankly to have someone, anyone keeping an eye out for flagrant breaches of the rules.

We had kingdom security for a time as did our friends Liverpool. They would fine the elderly for dogs on wrong beach, allegedly pooping, folk allegedly dropping a fag end, toddlers allegedly dropping a sweet wrappr from a pushchair. What they would not do is take on the neanderthals who would have pushed their faces in who were having parties on beaches throwing glass bottles for fun, leaving litter from bbqs for fun. I do not think if you paid them£20 per hour you should expect them to take on some of society.

'We appear to have stepped through some sort of hysterical looking glass where the infection of a rising but statistically minute number of viral infections in otherwise healthy young adults and the deaths of an infinitesimally small number of elderly people with underlying health conditions merits economic ruination and wholesale withdrawal of civil liberties'

But it's an infection you see and the very nature of infections is they are contagious. Tens of thousands have died already, don't your parents count, is anyone over 50 dispensable? shall we just say 'who cares as long as the youngsters are having a whale of a time!'.

The only 'hysterical looking glass' is people pearl clutching and equating the very reasonable 'don't meet in groups larger of than 6' with 'the withdrawal of civil liberties!'.

France and Spain did nothing, now their hospital admissions and deaths are rising. It doesn't stay with the youngsters for long. Belgium restricted social group sizes and they've seen a levelling off. Now, surely anyone with even a teeny bit of common senses can see it's worth doing?

Pink I think we are all at the end of our tether with the whole situation, but like you I am saddened at the way we are taking it out on each other.

'Should have called them something other than marshals. That's the problem that I see.'

Yes, as seen here it has wound people up.

Community Covid Help Team or something similar would have been better for The Outraged who think the nazis are coming.

I mean, we need something, some are just so constantly confused. 'Does the 6 include my ndn if she's hanging the washing out?' etc.

do you think there will be a Covid Rocky, Covid Rubble and a Covid Chase as well?

justasking111
Thanks, I get what you are saying, but the new crop of Covid inspectors should be recruited in enough numbers and with the powers to break up big gatherings. That is the source of the problem. No point in going into someone's house to break up a civilised gathering of 7 gathering at a distance from each other.

We'll see what happens.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Should have called them something other than marshals. That's the problem that I see.'

Yes, as seen here it has wound people up.

Community Covid Help Team or something similar would have been better for The Outraged who think the nazis are coming.

I mean, we need something, some are just so constantly confused. 'Does the 6 include my ndn if she's hanging the washing out?' etc.

Yep was just thinking this it is a rag to the outraged