When do we end lockdowns and let people live a full life

[frasersmummy]

It's looking ever more likely more cities including Glasgow will go back into lockdown..

Mainly from what I can see to stop people meeting indoors

There has to come a point when mental health is as important as physical health.. Keeping loved ones apart does noones mental health any. Good

So where do we draw the line.. There has to be a point when lockdown is just wrong.

For me it's wrong now.. Enough of keeping friends and families apart

Personally there’s no amount of money that would have me voluntarily in any crowded indoor venue especially come winter.

That’s you.

I would so long as some social distancing was applied and people were wearing masks.

@BaconandWaffles I understand. Its so shit. Some people really don't get how disproportionate the impact of these measures have been.
Of course anyone who had to choose between taking a chance with getting the virus, and losing their livelihood, will take their chances.

Too many people are blaming the lockdown for a problem that is actually caused by the virus

This is true. Much as I would love everything to be open normally, and be able to go to a gig, a Christmas party in a hotel etc, it is just not possible. Even if these things were to be allowed, how many venues are going to go ahead with such events knowing that huge amounts of people might get ill and some might die if they go ahead? Not exactly great PR is it.

I don’t want fully open but more as it is with businesses open with SD.

It gives schools more of a chance to stay open.

Of course anyone who had to choose between taking a chance with getting the virus, and losing their livelihood, will take their chances.

Of course anyone who had to choose between taking a chance with getting the virus, and losing their livelihood, will take their chances.

If that was the choice it would be easy. That isn’t the choice.

@TheKeatingFive

Personally there’s no amount of money that would have me voluntarily in any crowded indoor venue especially come winter.

That’s you.

I would so long as some social distancing was applied and people were wearing masks.

Yes and that's fine - but the point is our theatre won't survive only with the half of the population like you.

Yes and that's fine - but the point is our theatre won't survive only with the half of the population like you.

Well any restaurant/cafe owner I've spoken to since lockdown lifted has been keen to stress that some business is a helluva lot better than no business, even though they aren’t packed either.

@frasersmummy

I have read all these replies and it's apparently clear that one size doesn't fit all..

For me in my circumstances... Dh died very suddenly at 47.I just want to say to my dad ffs something could happen to you tomorrow thats not covid and you haven't hugged us in months...

I want to go to my friends birthday parties and weddings. I want to go back to my work and be busy and see loads of people every day

I know so many of you will call me shallow and selfish

But I just want to live life to the full while I can.. Cos who knows what's round the corner

So yeah lockdown was horrendous and I don't think I could bear it again..

I understand that for other people this is frightening

I don't know what the proper answer is but for me.. Its get the country open and let us live while we can

I hear you OP and I feel the same

I provide advice to employers and many events companies were already shedding staff even before lockdown because big companies had cancelled events. Even without lockdown these jobs would sadly have been affected. I lost my job too and my husband is in a precarious industry after being furloughed for months but as said by PP it’s the virus that caused all this. Not lockdown.

@latticechaos

Personally there’s no amount of money that would have me voluntarily in any crowded indoor venue especially come winter.

Yes me too.

lots of people would be more than happy to attend a crowded indoor event

how about we give them the choice?

@TheKeatingFive

Personally there’s no amount of money that would have me voluntarily in any crowded indoor venue especially come winter.

That’s you.

I would so long as some social distancing was applied and people were wearing masks.

Ok, what’s the financial viability of a live show with 50% capacity and increased cleaning costs in order to meet the social distancing standards you’re referencing?

@latticechaos

Personally there’s no amount of money that would have me voluntarily in any crowded indoor venue especially come winter.

Yes me too.

Same here.

Ds is a swimmer. No meets until at least 2021.

I swing between really missing the social side and him getting that feeling of achievement from a PB to panic at the thought of those those people at a pool.

I think that's what people mean by Mh as well. Not what we are necessarily doing but how well feel when we do return to these things even if the pandemic is declared over.

@MadameBlobby

I provide advice to employers and many events companies were already shedding staff even before lockdown because big companies had cancelled events. Even without lockdown these jobs would sadly have been affected. I lost my job too and my husband is in a precarious industry after being furloughed for months but as said by PP it’s the virus that caused all this. Not lockdown.

Exactly. My company is only opening the office at 50% capacity and encouraging work from home. So it’s not going to hold the usual conferences and public events, it’s not going to throw a Christmas party, etc. These are not UK government lockdown rules, it’s global policy the same in London as in Sydney. The issue is the virus.

Ok, what’s the financial viability of a live show with 50% capacity and increased cleaning costs in order to meet the social distancing standards you’re referencing?

Better than the financial viability of no business done at all.

I would respectfully suggest that they don’t bust out a hugely expensive show in terms of sets/costumes/etc, but I’m sure they have the financial nous to figure that out by themselves.

[quote MaxNormal]@itsgettingweird self employed DH, events industry which is now a smoking ruin, several large companies have just gone bust.
I cant even contribute due to disability.[/quote]

That's tough.

I did say to ds yesterday we need to start looking g at outdoor cinemas and shows etc and trying to expand our social events. I hope things like this pick up and it's a way for your DH to kick start his business again?

@TheClaws

This. It's now been nearly six months.

How much longer?? This is cruel.

I've got a life to lead but at the moment I'm just wishing the time away.

Perhaps you should just email the virus, Kittens, and let it know how cruel it is and you've got stuff to get on with__ like everyone else in the entire world.

That was harsh. Don't be nasty to me, please.

@latticechaos that's exactly how government policy works - weighing up lives

@TheKeatingFive I have read the thread. We as a family have been massively impacted financially by Coronavirus. My husband has until now had no work and will probably have very little over the coming months. But it is life at the moment unfortunately and we just have to get on with it.

I have read the thread.

Then you’d think you’d have picked up that earning an income was one of the things people were unable to do right now, rather than having to ask that question.

People can live like this for many years if needed , it's not so restrictive. The point is if people truly observe the guidelines we won't spend years this way.

How? We can't eradicate this virus without a vaccine - how will observing the guidelines get rid of it quickly? People always say 'the more we observe the guidelines the quicker this will all be over' but how? Technically, letting it run riot through the population would get rid of it more quickly as it would kill the people who were going to die of it anyway and would eventually achieve herd immunity. But obviously that's not an option either!

Can't believe people are actually advocating just shutting the boarders and sitting tight until a vaccine comes - yes, that is totally realistic

Also, Italy's hospital beds were not 'full of 30 and 40 year olds'.

I get it. There is a high chance we will end up on some sort of benefits this winter which neither my husband or I have ever had to do. It's absolutely shit but it's a pandemic and we just have to do it, no choice unfortunately.

If we all abided properly by the lockdown rules in the first place, more would be relaxed now

Where is your evidence for this? What lockdown rules did people not abide by properly? Where were the documented national spikes as a result of such behaviour?

lots of people would be more than happy to attend a crowded indoor event

but then they give the virus to those who weren't happy to attend, and they might be the ones who need medical help. That was always the argument - you are not protecting yourself, you are protecting others. Crowded indoor events are high risk, breaking holiday quarantine to walk the dog at 6am when nobody is within 50m of you is not high risk.

All we need to do is follow the excellent example of NZ and Australia. Take firm action to nip it in the bud and then you're able to live life pretty normally, albeit with temporary closed borders.

They are far from doing that and in some areas it's nigh on a police state. There's nothing good about their so-called examples.

What a load of rubbish. I imagine the people on MN from Australia and NZ (where I am) are reading the many threads on here and thinking ourselves very fortunate that our governments took the action they did. We've been living a relatively normal life for months now.

We cannot live like this until there is a vaccine, what if it takes years? I know some people on here seem to want to shut down the country until there is one, but have these people thought about how we pay for all the doctors, nurses, teachers, police and other public sector workers? We need the country back up and running properly to pay for it all, not businesses earning half amounts and millions in employed. People thinking the benefits system will help everyone, well if there is no money benefits will have to be cut, thresholds lowered. Yes there are people vulnerable to the virus, but what about other kinds of vulnerable? We can’t have millions living in the streets unable to provide for their families or people without access to healthcare and education. At some point other things will become more import and urgent than the virus.