When do we end lockdowns and let people live a full life

[frasersmummy]

It's looking ever more likely more cities including Glasgow will go back into lockdown..

Mainly from what I can see to stop people meeting indoors

There has to come a point when mental health is as important as physical health.. Keeping loved ones apart does noones mental health any. Good

So where do we draw the line.. There has to be a point when lockdown is just wrong.

For me it's wrong now.. Enough of keeping friends and families apart

@AlecTrevelyan006

This is an article by Thaddeus Michaels, who is a data scientist.

hectordrummond.com/2020/08/23/thaddeus-michaels-why-did-the-whole-world-lose-its-nerve/

A few things to make clear up front: I am not ideologically opposed to state intervention in areas of public health; I believe vaccines work; I believe Covid-19 is a real, somewhat dangerous disease which emerged in China in late 2019 and can be fatal; I’m not a Brexiteer or libertarian.

But I believe a form of mass hysteria has spread through society in relation to the Covid-19 pandemic. Rational thought about costs and benefits has evaporated, and we have done more harm than good in our response.

Instead of a conspiracy theory, here is a plausible ‘good faith’ explanation for why this may have happened.

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Hmm, except the countries who did respond hardest and earliest have had the least impact, it wasn't over reaction that created the problems, it was under reaction.

If countries like Britain had responded by treating it like the pandemic it is, we would never have had such massive impact.

If this author looks at what was happening in the UK, or Italy, or Spain, what do they think should have happened instead? Italian hospitals we're genuinely full of people dying from Covid.

There are loads of articles saying we over reacted. They never say what specifically we should have done instead. Would people really rather Britain had responded like Brazil?

Sweden has had high deaths and massive GDP impact too. I don't understand why it is held up as a success. If I lived in a country like Denmark, or Canada, or Ireland I wouldn't think Sweden a success. It is a reflection of how very badly the UK failed that Sweden looks a decent alternative!

From my perspective, yes, absolutely. I don't know you (and from some of the comments you've made here, I don't think I'd like you much if I did know you). So I would rank (in no particular order) my mental health, the physical and mental health of DH, and DM's physical health significantly higher than your life or well-being. All of those things are being impacted by the UK response to Covid, and unlike many on here, I've never pretended that anonymous people have the same importance to me as my immediate family.

What a vile attitude. Thank goodness you have no say in how this is managed.

You should be ashamed of this attitude but your lack of empathy says you won't be. You do realise most decent people find that attitude immoral?

I’m more concerned about the amount of missed screenings etc that are only now just opening back up. I work in community nursing we have been warned there will be a rise in the number of palliative patients coming on to our case load due to lack of treatment, little access to G.P. and difficulty accessing screening or investigations. Just last week our local paper had an article in about the drop in heart related cases in the hospital during this, I’m pretty sure people were still having heart attacks etc but were obviously too frightened to go and get help

@FlySheMust

From my perspective, yes, absolutely. I don't know you (and from some of the comments you've made here, I don't think I'd like you much if I did know you). So I would rank (in no particular order) my mental health, the physical and mental health of DH, and DM's physical health significantly higher than your life or well-being. All of those things are being impacted by the UK response to Covid, and unlike many on here, I've never pretended that anonymous people have the same importance to me as my immediate family.

What a vile attitude. Thank goodness you have no say in how this is managed.

You should be ashamed of this attitude but your lack of empathy says you won't be. You do realise most decent people find that attitude immoral?

I'd say that if people were being 100% honest with themselves - which people find it hard to do - they would feel like that themselves.

Of course people put their happiness and healthy before people's they don't know. They just do

If this author looks at what was happening in the UK, or Italy, or Spain, what do they think should have happened instead? Italian hospitals we're genuinely full of people dying from Covid.

Having thought some more having read the article, the measured and calibrated response he is advocating is easy to talk about six months in, but a very different proposition when decisions have to be made with a lack of data and even less opportunity for analysis, and every day’s delay is potentially catastrophic. Although there was a fair bit of hysteria and mistakes were clearly made, I can’t see that we would have been in a better position had we waited and taken less firm action. Had we wanted to follow a Swedish approach we needed to have been more like Sweden to start with.

Of course people put their happiness and healthy before people's they don't know. They just do

I don't think anyone should die for my happiness. I just don't. Normal people don't think that way.

Certainly the happiness, health, and well being of my children is my number one priority. I think that’s natural, not selfish.

Of course you and your family is your number one priority but you don’t see yourself as more important than others In the grand scheme of things hence live accordingly.

say that if people were being 100% honest with themselves - which people find it hard to do - they would feel like that themselves.

There shouldn't be a straight line between how you feel and what you do.