to have run out of sympathy for people who find masks 'uncomfortable'?

[Frlrlrubert]

It might be because I'm out of tolerance for a lot of things at the moment but I've had enough of the 'but my face gets hot' and 'couldn't possibly wear one for 2 ours straight' brigade.

Barring medical exemptions, I think people just need to suck it up.

I wore an FFP3 mask at work day in day out for hours at a time for years. Yes, it's weird at first and it gives you spots and makes your eyes dry and sometimes your lips dry, but your body will adapt if you keep at it. (honestly, be glad it's not a rubber half mask or a powered respirator, both of which I've also had to wear all day for years and are grim/loud respectively)

If your glasses are fogging or it doesn't fit right try a different type - there are lots available. Mouldable nose strips really help with the specs.

You will need to speak very clearly when you talk so you can hear each other (I know it's shit if you have hearing loss - that is a situation I still have sympathy for).

Honestly, get one/a style that fits you properly, and get on with it, you'll get used to it. It really isn't that bad, and will save lives!

So... YANBU = people need to mask up and get over it
YABU = masks are the worst and comfort is more important

[TheTurnOfTheScrew]

I moan. I have been wearing one at work unless at my (private office) desk since March in a role where previously I never would. They're uncomfortable, I can't hear or be heard properly, and they have brought out my chin acne dreadfully. I think Moan But Comply is a reasonable position.

I would add thought that medical exemptions aside, it is worth persevering and building up your tolerance a bit. When I first wore one for an hour I thought it was horrific, and it utterly distracted me from the work I was supposed to be doing. I kept fiddling with it and thought I'd never get used to it. I still don't find them pleasant, and whip mine off the second I'm outside, but certainly I am far better able to tolerate them now. For those struggling I find the disposable FFP2 ones at work much better than the cloth ones I have outside of work.

[Soubriquet]

I cannot hear a single thing when people are wearing masks

I just hear a faint humming. Especially when they won’t pull the mask down so I can lip read

Luckily, I’ve been in a position where I finish work before I have to wear a mask and I have why been out during shopping hours

[DeepTreacle]

“ many of us have to wear them plus other PPE for 8-12 hours a day and have no choice about it”

Oh I’ve heard loads of HCPs complaining about having to wear them! I work with them and they have all said it’s horrible. I gave birth during lockdown and on the postnatal ward I heard several conversations between staff about how hard it was wearing facemasks etc. I was very sympathetic as I think it must be very hard to wear them on a hot ward for long shifts.

[elenacampana]

I don’t like wearing mine. I try not to complain about it because it’s not just affecting me, but I don’t like wearing them. I’ve had a look through your updates OP and while you have explained when and how you think people should complain about masks, I’m probably not going to follow your instructions for complaining. Everyone is in a boat they’d rather not be in at the moment and I don’t think going around the internet declaring how different people should cope and what they should say about it is very helpful.

[OpheliasCrayon]

@elenacampana

I don’t like wearing mine. I try not to complain about it because it’s not just affecting me, but I don’t like wearing them. I’ve had a look through your updates OP and while you have explained when and how you think people should complain about masks, I’m probably not going to follow your instructions for complaining. Everyone is in a boat they’d rather not be in at the moment and I don’t think going around the internet declaring how different people should cope and what they should say about it is very helpful.

This

[TheresGotToBeMoreToLife]

I wear them, and will as long as required but I am struggling.

I get VERY hot to the point that twice out of the last three times I have been in town I have fainted. One of those times I was alone with my little boy who helpfully took off my top layer and called my friend for help.

So I'll work round it by not going into town anymore.

[PickAChew]

Yes, you're being unreasonable. Learn some empathy.

[HopelessSemantics]

@DeepTreacle I think it's better to protect the country as a whole and some people have to stay in as a result.

What is your suggestion? How is all this moaning going to change it? Write to your MP if you want the law changed

[DeepTreacle]

I’m not anti mask - it’s interesting how that assumption is made though just because I am supportive of not excluding those who cannot wear masks from public life

[PJ6M]

Yea listening to people whine about masks is boring as fuck.

But, then, so is listening to people whine about people whining about masks.

Then listening to the original whiners argue with the subsequent whiners? That's a massive yawnathon.
In fact, I'm boring myself by whining about all the whining.

So I'll shut the fuck, and you should all shut the fuck up too. ,😂😂😂

[HopelessSemantics]

@DeepTreacle

What do you propose as a solution then?

You are never going to stop some people being arseholes. It sucks that some think they are the mask brigade. No one likes those people. But what can you actually do about it?

[Mintjulia]

YABVU. We each have to find a way to make life work and most of us are.

I loath wearing a mask. I wear one when required, but I choose to stay at home as much as possible to avoid the necessity.
That’s my responsible choice and how I deal with an unpleasant situation.

It is nothing to do with you. Your judging of others is unhelpful, unnecessary and reeks of holier-than-thou interfering.

[solidaritea]

@TheresGotToBeMoreToLife

I wear them, and will as long as required but I am struggling.

I get VERY hot to the point that twice out of the last three times I have been in town I have fainted. One of those times I was alone with my little boy who helpfully took off my top layer and called my friend for help.

So I'll work round it by not going into town anymore.

I'm sorry that has happened to you. Sounds very scary. I hope you've sought medical advice. It's unlikely to be due to overheating due to mask wearing, so best to find out the real reason as soon as you can.

[Wecandothis99]

I used to be fine with masks then weirdly yesterday I actually thought I was going to faint in a shop and had to sit down. It was boiling I guess and I am pregnant but it was def the mask as I had been feeling like I was struggling to breath in it for a while. So I may complain about them in future but will always wear. I reckon we can moan about stuff at the moment, life ain't easy

[DeepTreacle]

I’m not sure what you’re getting at HopelessSemantics. I live somewhere where people who can’t wear masks are still allowed to go into public spaces, and I am pleased about that. You live somewhere where they aren’t, and you’re pleased about that. We already have govt advice that those who can’t wear masks should not be challenged and do not need to carry or provide evidence - I’m fine with that, it’s none of my business, I think this is appropriate. What do you think I should be writing to my MP about? What problem specifically am I supposed to be proposing solutions to?

[HopelessSemantics]

@DeepTreacle

No mask law here at all, apart from public transport.

You're moaning. Instead of moaning, why not suggest a solution. That is what I was getting at.

[DeepTreacle]

What am I moaning about?

[DeepTreacle]

If you read my posts, you might see that I am accepting of other people complaining about wearing masks - I think it is a normal thing to complain about discomfort especially when it is a newly introduced regulation that people aren’t used to. I also think it is correct that people who aren’t wearing face coverings should not be challenged. I haven’t actually made any comments about how I feel about wearing a face covering myself. Somehow this has translated to me needing to write to my MP about something or other and I’m rather baffled as to how that conclusion has been reached.

[HeresMe]

I wear a mask but, there is a lot here who seem to demand people enjoy wearing a mask.

So these people get a thrill out of a mask or is it something I don't get.

[HopelessSemantics]

@DeepTreacle what is your solution to people moaning?

I think endlessly complaining is utterly pointless.

I also think this conversation is tbh

[DipSwimSwoosh]

YABU

[Dinosauratemydaffodils]

I'm exempt, and I stamp my feet and say I don't want to when I've been told how I have to and it's selfish of me not to. That I have to think of random strangers health and ignore my own and my families.

Also exempt but chosing not to go anywhere they are mandatory but apparently that's not good enough either, I need to force myself through desensentisation until I can cope to support the economy according to multiple mumsnet posters. Doesn't matter that trying that almost got me sectioned earlier this year. Doesn't matter that my kids have been affected by my nightmares and my general ability to function. Doesn't matter the toll on my mental health that feeling like I'm being punished all over again, like I haven't punished myself enough over the years for being stupid/weak/worthless enough to get raped in the first place.

[Derbygerbil]

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

It is fundamentally unreasonable to make Person A do something to protect the health of Person B without the express consent of Person A.

It isn’t fundamentally unreasonable at all. There are countless examples of things we do in our everyday life that we do to protect the health and wellbeing of others. For instance, I had to take a driving test to demonstrate I was a safe road user. I have to get my car MOT’ed to provide a minimum safeguard that it is roadworthy to reduce the risk on other road users. I legally have to get third party car insurance. And they just a few car related ones. You may think that’s all fundamentally unreasonable and an example of state over-reach. Personally, I profoundly disagree. That’s not to say states can’t overreach - and they often do - but as a point of principle, I fundamentally disagree that a Government should never require someone to do something to protect another person, without that person agreeing.

[DeepTreacle]

“ @DeepTreacle what is your solution to people moaning?

I think endlessly complaining is utterly pointless.

I also think this conversation is tbh”

I agree this is pointless because I don’t need to find a solution to people moaning because I don’t have a problem with it!

[Kitcat47]

I think most people are wearing Masks.ive struggled but I just get on with it.