Increase in Child Hospitalisations in Florida

[ClimbDad]

In February we saw what was happening in the rest of the world and some believed it wouldn’t happen here.

We can see what’s happening in America. Children are being infected at a worrying rate and hospitalised.

Make no mistake, if schools open with normal class sizes, without masks for all, this airborne, respiratory virus will do the same thing here.

Positive thinking won’t protect us. If you genuinely want schools to stay open during flu season, you’ll stop saying, “Don’t be so negative,” and will instead do something practical to protect yourselves, your children and school staff. Masks reduce transmission. Send kids back to school without them, and you will help ensure schools are closed again by November.

This virus is perfectly predictable. Stop expecting it to be kind to us.

www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/health/florida-covid-children-hospitalizations/index.html

You should probably get a hobby OP.

Did you actually read the details of the article, or just the headline? Because it looks to me like there was an increase of 37% of cases and only a 24% increase in hospitalisation amongst children (numbers may not be exact as I can't go back and check the article while on my phone). So actually, hospitalisation hasn't risen in line with cases.

By coincidence, I've just been watching BBC Breakfast, and it showed a piece about Xand Van Tulleken's cardiac event (fast AF, had to be cardioverted) which is almost certainly a deleted effect of Covid. He says he's now fine on meds, but will need further tests and possibly an operation in future. He's a normal weight 41 year old with no underlying conditions.

But as he's not dead, he's not 'counted' because we are so fixed on death rates

Not the wider issues that it can cause on the body short of death.

Rates of hospitalisation in DC are still lower than in adults, and this article is a reminder that although death is the worst outcome, there's plenty else it can cause that you really don't want to happen.

I read something that said that rates are rising fastest in young adults. And a proportion of them will have really quite nasty complications (short of death).

I hope that is being allowed for properly in secondary schools planning

It's still an increase in cases of children. Think I saw an article a few days ago where 60 toddlers were all tested positive. Forget which country, but it certainly shows that children do get it. This goes against what lots of people say on here in that "children dont get it".

We haven't been testing children much, especially smaller ones.

There's plenty of evidence that they get it, but many very mildly or asymptomatically

There is also evidence that asymtomatic people can transmit Covid (the evidence on rates at which DC spread it is mixed, but it's not been ruled out)

So a school bubble of 30 is potentially sharing the risk with 30-60 adults at least (more if DC have two homes or resident grandparents). And of course that pool of adults is hugely more when it's a secondary bubble of a whole year group (couple of hundred?)

But the health planners decided some time ago that that's an acceptable level of risk when they drew up the guidance. And put newly deshielded DC, and those with deshielding parents, into that environment too

Surprise surprise it’s Climbdad again!! The font of all knowledge while the rest of us are apparently incapable of rational thought and want ourselves and our children to die of cv.

What else can you take from that article?
Florida has over 400,000 confirmed cases and less than 10% of these are children even though children age 17 and under make up roughly 20% of the population there.
Of 31150 cases less than 1% have needed hospitalisation, and less than 0.02% have died. Obviously those deaths are tragedies but it still remains a minuscule number.

In addition cases in Florida have skyrocketed over the last few weeks - it’s hardly surprising that that includes an increase in cases among children.

"Surprise surprise it’s Climbdad again!! The font of all knowledge while the rest of us are apparently incapable of rational thought and want ourselves and our children to die of cv."

That's really hateful Marceline. Anyone is allowed to start a thread if they want to and discuss and article.

Sorry but that’s how he comes across to me (and many others) with the incessant posting and negative stance on everything. And also the continued inference that most of us do not care and are not acting appropriately.

@Shesingsshangrila

You should probably get a hobby OP.

Did you actually read the details of the article, or just the headline? Because it looks to me like there was an increase of 37% of cases and only a 24% increase in hospitalisation amongst children (numbers may not be exact as I can't go back and check the article while on my phone). So actually, hospitalisation hasn't risen in line with cases.

It’s fascinating how easy it is for people to move from, “Kids don’t get it,” to “Kids don’t transmit it,” to “Not many kids get it,” to “The increase isn’t big enough,” to “The kids don’t get sick enough for me to care.”

@MarcelineMissouri

Sorry but that’s how he comes across to me (and many others) with the incessant posting and negative stance on everything. And also the continued inference that most of us do not care and are not acting appropriately.

Negative stance? It’s a pandemic. Assume most news will be fairly negative until an effective cure or vaccine is found.

"t’s fascinating how easy it is for people to move from, “Kids don’t get it,” to “Kids don’t transmit it,” to “Not many kids get it,” to “The increase isn’t big enough,” to “The kids don’t get sick enough for me to care.”"

I agree. A lot of posters on here just seem to want to get their kids out of the way and back at school. They dont seem to care if they will get it, or transmit it to others who could be more vulnerable.

I was on the London tube yesterday with my DC. We didn’t intend to be there (long story). Everyone had masks on and there were about 15 people in the carriage all socially distanced.

But I panicked and wanted to run out - couldn’t - thought what am I doing? I’ve voluntarily brought my kids into a dangerous space that everyone else in London (if they can) is avoiding...

And then I remembered schools in September where there’ll be no masks, no social distancing, hundreds (at secondary school) crammed into even smaller spaces.

What are we thinking? And how are our kids going to feel then? Will any of them panic and want to escape I wonder.

@INeedNewShoes. Don’t worry. A dad is here to summarise the evidence and tell all us ignorant mums where we’re going wrong.

@MarcelineMissouri summarises the finding more measuredly but Climbdad will continue to misinterpret the evidence to put the worst possible spin on it and the Covid Anxious (of whom there are many on Mumsnet) will lap it up.

@pontypridd. Your kids may well panic and try to escape because they take their cues from you and you don’t seem to be acting very rationally. You need to model the behaviour that you want them to display.

Or you keep them off, isolate them from the rest of the world and try your hand at home education because this virus isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

Climbdad must spend a huge amount of time trawling the internet for negative Covid related stories.

The idea that our children will be in a 'bubble' of 30 is a complete fantasy. Even though teachers will do their best to implement the guidelines, every child in the school will be touching the same stair rails, the same doorhandles etc. And the aerosols they breathe out stay in the air for up to an hour. So if one 'bubble' walks through a corridor that another 'bubble' walked through five minutes ago they'll be breathing in those aerosols. Every school will have only one 'bubble.' It will contain every student, teacher and member of staff at the school.
The government say that children don't spread the disease. Most of the data they have from this country and around the world is from a time when the schools were shut and we were keeping our children at home. This is a massive experiment by the government. They're using our kids as guinea pigs.
I feel great sympathy for teachers. They are being forced back into an environment that the government know is not safe. Tiny classrooms, overcrowded schools etc. Most schools in this country are full to capacity and also have a waiting list. And this is where Johnson wants us to send our kids in September. I think it's going to be a very scary autumn.

"Sorry but that’s how he comes across to me (and many others) with the incessant posting and negative stance on everything. And also the continued inference that most of us do not care and are not acting appropriately."
Well not everyone has the same view do they,? Theres a lot of people on here who dont want to just follow the "kids dont get it" view as it's a bit blinkered in my view. Its led by the desire to get kids back to school in my view. Which is important but needs to be done in a measured and safest possible way..not just "that's it I'm fed up of this now," kind of way which seems to across quite a lot. It's not negative to question things.

I agree jomartin - you sum it up all very clearly.

Thank you

Or perhaps they just think and question things, Laurie, as is wise to do whilst properly researching - unlike those who blindly trust the government.

Jomartin forget bubbles of 30, in high school its whole year bubbles of say 150 plus. So pretty much back to normal really. In my school desks meant for 2 are shared by 3, that's how squashed in they are. But a lot of mumsnetters dont seem to care about this because they are just "fed up with it all" and want kids back. Most seem to have forgotten how this started back in Easter time and before, kids going to Italy on school trips and bringing it back, and whole school closures.

So 1% of the children were hospitalised? 30,000 cases, 300 hospitalised. I find that reassuring which is the opposite of what you are intending. Not to mention all the asymptomatic cases which aren't included in the total.

I don’t blindly trust anyone, specially not climbdad lol.

But there are positive developments published all the time now that he never references or tries to dismiss. In favour of the most extreme doom mongering he can find.

It is very possible to be part of the 1% you know? How can you find 300 children being hospitalised reassuring?

All the asymptomatic kids will then spread the virus and possibly suffer post viral symptoms later.

Is that a joke post or meant to be sarcastic Jrob? Sorry if it was/is and I got the wrong end of the stick.

Jrobhatch...the interesting thing is that 30000 children got it. Theres so many people on here saying children dont get it. Well they clearly do. Theres 30000 that got tested positive and passed it on to others, other vulnerable people, vulnerable adults. If 30000 got tested you can bet your life theres lots more who didnt get tested.

Children havent been tested in our country until recently and weve been on lockdown. Can you imagine what our cases and deaths would have been if schools hadnt closed? All those people moaning about schools closing and using stupid language like "letting our kids down" etc, want to think about that.