Increase in Child Hospitalisations in Florida

[ClimbDad]

In February we saw what was happening in the rest of the world and some believed it wouldn’t happen here.

We can see what’s happening in America. Children are being infected at a worrying rate and hospitalised.

Make no mistake, if schools open with normal class sizes, without masks for all, this airborne, respiratory virus will do the same thing here.

Positive thinking won’t protect us. If you genuinely want schools to stay open during flu season, you’ll stop saying, “Don’t be so negative,” and will instead do something practical to protect yourselves, your children and school staff. Masks reduce transmission. Send kids back to school without them, and you will help ensure schools are closed again by November.

This virus is perfectly predictable. Stop expecting it to be kind to us.

www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/health/florida-covid-children-hospitalizations/index.html

I think the outbreaks in factories should be relatively easy to control ( assuming they were person to person transmission) and that's with suitable PPE and social distancing

Lots of food production factories cannot be operated with SD and PPE has proved ineffective.

If we advocate that risk cannot be taken life would stop. How many people on MN have lived completely free of essential services throughout the pandemic? No essential service is risk free.

Lots of food production factories cannot be operated with SD and PPE has proved ineffective.

Where has PPE proved ineffective? It hasn't been ineffective in hospitals, which has to be the highest risk of infection so why would it be ineffective in a factory?

@GoldenOmber

He didn't do any of the things you accused him of when he posted his op

I take it you are new to ClimbDad threads...

I'm still waiting to hear about the progress he is making developing a covid vaccine. He certainly seems to have a lot of time to read the tabloids and post scary threads freaking the already anxious masses on MN. What a hero.

Where has PPE proved ineffective? It hasn't been ineffective in hospitals, which has to be the highest risk of infection so why would it be ineffective in a factory?

Maybe one of the hundreds of infected workers could shed more light on this?

I'm still waiting to hear about the progress he is making developing a covid vaccine

When has he claimed to be developing a Covid vaccine?

I've only seen him say he's part of a team looking at a potential drug for treating it, not a vaccine.

Maybe if you're going to attack someone it would be an idea to get the facts straight?

@lousleftkneelies

Where has PPE proved ineffective? It hasn't been ineffective in hospitals, which has to be the highest risk of infection so why would it be ineffective in a factory?

Maybe one of the hundreds of infected workers could shed more light on this?

Well, you're the one who claimed that PPE has proved ineffective so I assumed you could substantiate those claims.

I doubt food factories are supplying ffp3 rated medical grade ppe to their workers, nor training them how to use it properly.

As a pp said there have been lots of outbreaks reported on in farms, meat processing plants etc.

@walksen

I doubt food factories are supplying ffp3 rated medical grade ppe to their workers, nor training them how to use it properly.

As a pp said there have been lots of outbreaks reported on in farms, meat processing plants etc.

I'm sure that's true. However, now we've seen outbreaks in several factories they need to assess if that level of PPE is required. It would be straightforward to use the correct PPE and prevent further outbreaks.

What would be inexcusable is if they identified the risk and then said workers couldn't use the required PPE and had to just accept the risk or leave.

Could you imagine an employer doing that? Oh, wait...

I think the point of my post is that every essential service that everybody has to use carry a risk to the individuals carrying it out so unless we’re willing to starve, have no power, running water, access to financial services or medical attention we have to learn to live with this thing as best we can.

Food factories also have had issues with workers living in tightly-packed accommodation and sharing crowded transport to and from the site.

Just popping on to remind people that school is not really ‘full time’ from Sept. Schools have to try to get all the students in FT if they can. But staff sickness and absence will cause closures. As will a couple of kids or teachers in any bubble with a positive test.

Be prepared to suddenly have no childcare for two weeks at incredibly short notice.

It seems obvious to me that, in order that schools can reopen safely in Sept, we should all be doing our damnedest to reduce transmission of the virus now (I dont mean lockdown but social distancing, masks on in shops, meeting family and friends outside etc)

But apparently this is wrong think and makes me a paranoid joysucker.

Ah good, another of these threads.

ClimbDad, do you think it's possible for a young child to wear a mask for 5 or 6 hours and not fiddle with it or pull it off? I've read that if you're wearing a mask and you touch it, you're potentially getting the virus on your hands and spreading it around anyway. Grown adults aren't managing to wear them properly but children can?

We're eight months into this pandemic. I think if a significant number of children were experiencing serious consequences when they got this virus, we would be seeing evidence of that already. We really aren't. There are lots of reasons to take this situation very seriously but most children by far are not going to get anything other than a mild version of the virus.

True but remember when asked about office work, the government (Matt Hancock I think) specifically said, has also said that masks etc are not effective if you are working in a confined space with the same people for a long time.

These are exactly the conditions I imagine exist on a food production line so SD/1m plus should apply....

Makes me wonder what ppe is being used.

and what type of ppe will be given to school staff and nurseries looking after symptomatic children prior to being sent home

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

Ah good, another of these threads.

ClimbDad, do you think it's possible for a young child to wear a mask for 5 or 6 hours and not fiddle with it or pull it off? I've read that if you're wearing a mask and you touch it, you're potentially getting the virus on your hands and spreading it around anyway. Grown adults aren't managing to wear them properly but children can?

We're eight months into this pandemic. I think if a significant number of children were experiencing serious consequences when they got this virus, we would be seeing evidence of that already. We really aren't. There are lots of reasons to take this situation very seriously but most children by far are not going to get anything other than a mild version of the virus.

all of this

@lousleftkneelies

I think the point of my post is that every essential service that everybody has to use carry a risk to the individuals carrying it out so unless we’re willing to starve, have no power, running water, access to financial services or medical attention we have to learn to live with this thing as best we can.

Of course. And so employers within each of these services or industries should be fulfilling their obligations to staff under health and safety legislation to ensure the workplace is as safe as possible, no?

Yes of course they will. The point is as you probably know that these workers still get infected despite the risk but they carry on as their services are essential.

PPE is not some magic force field

Twas of no surprise to me who started this thread

@lousleftkneelies

Yes of course they will. The point is as you probably know that these workers still get infected despite the risk but they carry on as their services are essential.

PPE is not some magic force field

PPE works if it's suitable for the job involved. Otherwise many more of the drs and nurses working in A and E, ITU and on Covid wards would have been infected.

That's the whole point of PPE. Of course, if it isn't adequate or the employees don't know how to don and doff correctly then there's potential risk of infection but employers should provide adequate training.

I'm really not sure what point you are making. All employees should have suitable PPE to make the job that they are doing as safe as possible.

@OpheliasCrayon

Twas of no surprise to me who started this thread

I'm just waiting for him to start a thread about how cats should be wearing masks

Seriously OP, shut up.

I'm just waiting for him to start a thread about how cats should be wearing masks

I forgot about that risk!

Mass cull OP?

The fact is, if people are fuming that 300 children have been hospitalised for covid, it is hypocritical if they dont do the same for other contagious viruses. My son is 4. Hes been rushed off by ambulance twice. Once for RSV which put him in PICU for a week and once gor bronchiolitis with low oxygen levels. He has also been in hospital for a bad case of scarlet fever. He got these viruses at school/nursery/in the community. Were people angry on my behalf for him being hospitalised for these viruses? No, because we accept in life that a small amount of children will need to be hospitalised for viruses. We dont even think about it, because it is a fact of of life Apparenently we cannot accept this risk for covid though, even though it happens at far lower rates for kids compared to other illnesses. I understand the risk with covid is with passing it to adults, but this thread was about the risk to kids. If you think it is unnaceptable that 300 kids have been in hospital, out of 30,000, maybe you need to look at the hospital rates for other viruses and shout about them too!

This.

I also agree that bars and nightclubs definitely seem to be a common factor in this. It's why the virus spread like wildfire in the ski resorts back in March as well.

@lousleftkneelies

I'm just waiting for him to start a thread about how cats should be wearing masks

I forgot about that risk!

Mass cull OP?

It's a massive risk. Didn't you know?

And gerbils

You do know what point I’m making.

Show me one essential service where PPE has been 100% effective and nobody got infected even where it has been followed to the letter?

Yes teachers and children are at risk just the same as everybody else in the country who does not board themselves away.

Life is a risk but as you’re posting here I’m assuming you accept it.