Is anyone else sick of the mask brigade?

[SpongeCake23]

I am going to be wearing a face covering from the 24th.
However I’m getting sick of the constant steam of ‘shaming’ on social media especially.
The latest is a passive aggressive meme being shared which says ‘if you don’t like the mask, you definitely won’t like being intubated in the ICU’
I’ve just seen another one on a local page in the style of queen’s ‘we will rock you’. Basically “you’re a big disgrace, spreading your germs all over the place” blah blah blah.
I have anxiety and panic attacks and I am going to struggle wearing one, although I’m going to try my best. There are those who really won’t be able to for various reasons - asthma, copd, autism, other mental health issues and I bet they’re reading these posts feeling awful about themselves.

high survival rate for you i take it?

@InFiveMins

Nope. I'm more sick of every other person having a reason why they can't wear them tbh. I know there is a genuine minority who can't, but funnily enough people manage it in Asia.

I also have anxiety and I can't wait for the 24th. I've not been inside a shop since March but knowing all will be masked might finally give me the confidence to do so.

the government guidelines do not say that people have to provide evidence of exemption.

Which makes the whole thing virtually unenforceable. I'll absolutely wear a mask, but if I didn't it sounds like I could tell any police officer who happened to ask that I had condition X and walk away. The government have put shops and shop staff in a horrible position leaving them to figure it out (do they try to enforce it, if so how? Should they be deciding who is and isn't exempt based on medical conditions? Or should they just let it go and let everyone in?)

I'm fed up of all the anti mask posts on mumsnet. If you (genuinely) can't wear one then just go about your business, and stay the F away from me thanks.

Yup - that pretty much sums it up. Cheers.

Quarantine is a very old public health measure to prevent disease spread, used in populations or individuals. Old as centuries or millenia.

Covid does have a high survival rate, but in a few months of going about our normal lives it would easily infect 50% of the population. So, 30 million in the UK. At a low estimate of 0.1% fatality rate, it would be 30 000 deaths on top of the usual deaths for other causes. Last year the UK had 9400 deaths in total.

How does that sound?

I'd rather use a mask.

I think 'You do you' is generally a good motto. And I really hate wearing a mask.

But we are in the middle of a global pandemic. My grandmother died a few years ago from pneumonia. I know what that kind of death looks like. It's horrific. And many, many people are experiencing similar. You literally choke to death.

So imo we just have to suck it up. For each other. I can't remember who said it but my mask protects you and your mask protects me. If you can't wear a mask or don't like wearing one, I won't be standing in line to condemn you but try to stick to lower risk places (e.g. outdoors) as much as possible to minimise the risk you pose to others.

At a low estimate of 0.1% fatality rate, it would be 30 000 deaths on top of the usual deaths for other causes. Last year the UK had 9400 deaths in total

Are you saying that last year the UK had 9400 total deaths, from all causes? That is not remotely correct, it's much higher. Far more people die from cancer alone.
Not that I disagree with your main point that wearing masks is a good idea, but that number is wrong.

@Meredithgrey1

At a low estimate of 0.1% fatality rate, it would be 30 000 deaths on top of the usual deaths for other causes. Last year the UK had 9400 deaths in total

Are you saying that last year the UK had 9400 total deaths, from all causes? That is not remotely correct, it's much higher. Far more people die from cancer alone.
Not that I disagree with your main point that wearing masks is a good idea, but that number is wrong.

www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate

Ups. So sorry. That was a rate. L recheck the numbers

@Lweji that's the death rate I think you're reading (9.398). In 2018 there were approx 540,000 deaths registered in England and Wales.

@Lweji sorry cross post!

Can assure you its very warm in hospital ward full of life saving machinery. Dont think a hot flush will bother many then.
It's just nonsense if your that poorly then you should wear one even more!

I’ve posted at length on other threads so won’t bother here, but I’ll just say that the actual mask-wearing, unpleasant though it is, is less disturbing to me than the militant mask lobby’s seeming desire to make everyone embrace widespread compulsory mask-wearing with open arms.

There seems to be no acceptance at all that many perfectly ordinary, law-abiding people will wear one but with genuine misgivings as to their utility and potential unwitting side-effects

Indeed, recorded deaths would be more like 540 000.

Anyway, 30 k on top is a very low estimate. That would mean very high numbers in ICU and hospital at one time. Beds needed for other diseases.
The fatality rate in these situations would rise and 1% would be a conservative estimate for the fatality rate. The low estimates are to account for cases that are not usually recorded. Recorded fatality rates have been much higher.
Now, this would also be in a scenario where health professionals got ill. As would supermarket workers, distribution workers, police officers, emergency service workers, etc

This is why governments opted for lockdown or distancing measures.
Going about everyone's normal lives wasn't an option. And it's not now because it hasn't gone away and the numbers can rise fast again.

This is not something that you just brave out.

just log off

I'll be wearing a mask from here on in, we've just got to get on with it, but the 'wear a mask you dick' brigade are just virtue signalling. Anyone who has reservations about masks, with regards to their effectiveness or it going against their liberties or whatever, is not going to be convinced by 'if you don't wear a mask you are a selfish cunt' style memes, so it's pointless posting them.

It’s the same lot that shriek and yelled that schools needed to close immediately as we were killing their children but then a few weeks later are hurling abuse at teachers and schools for causing irrecoverable damage to the child’s education, career and life for not reopening ..... no change in the science about the fact that the most likely transmission is lots of people together in an enclosed space for long periods of time.

The same people who hurled abuse of anyone stepped out the house and went for two walks a day but then screeched for lockdown to be over ........ no change in the science .... walking past people in the open air .... very low chance

Now masks ..... more screeching, virtue signal tosh. The same people who were posting the video of the woman in mask and gloves touching face & every thing and this spreading the ‘ paint’ .....some people are just hardwired to do the rules bigger, Better and harder than the rest no matter how nonsensical.

Govt guidelines for school say that there is no need for PPE doing close contact first aid for a child in schools, you can sit 1m away from all and sundry in a pub but apparently you need to face mask to walk past someone in a shop. The first two are proven to be the highest transmission rate - close contact, indoor, repeatedly with same people but are fine, the latter very low risk. 🤷‍♀️

Wearing mask is an attempt to save lives - maybe your own. I understand it is a horrible death. Those who survive can have permanent lung, heart, liver, kidney and brain damage. What's not to get?

I genuinely cannot wear a mask/face covering or shield, so judging by some of the comments on here, I should not go in any shops when the 24th hits.

Bugger that, I have just as much right as anyone else to go in a shop and I will do. The government have not said people with a genuine reason cannot do this. If I am asked by the Police I will tell them the issue, the same for shop staff. A member of the public questioning me (and it has happened at the Doctors) will be getting no explanation at all. They are entitled to nothing from me just like I'm entitled to nothing from them. Any abuse I get from them will be met with the same, maybe worse.

@PhilCornwall1. You are absolutely entitled to go into a shop without wearing a mask if you have medical (including psychological) reasons for doing so. I certainly won't be joining the mask vigilantes to shame you and I think it's awful that people are doing this. You do indeed have the 'right' to shop.

But it does increase the risk for the rest of us and someone could catch Covid and die a painful death as a result. The reality is that we should all think about the effects our actions may have on others in the current situation. Shops and other crowded indoor spaces have been identified as being greater risk for spreading Covid. Not wearing a mask could kill someone else's father/mother/child. I have a toddler who is too young to wear a mask and I try not to take him into shops if I can avoid it for this reason, especially at busy times.

@Lweji

Quarantine is a very old public health measure to prevent disease spread, used in populations or individuals. Old as centuries or millenia.

Covid does have a high survival rate, but in a few months of going about our normal lives it would easily infect 50% of the population. So, 30 million in the UK. At a low estimate of 0.1% fatality rate, it would be 30 000 deaths on top of the usual deaths for other causes. Last year the UK had 9400 deaths in total.

How does that sound?

I'd rather use a mask.

There were over 500, 000 deaths last year.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregistrationsummarytables/2019

BTW Wearing masks in only in shops has not be proven to reduce the spread of Covid in any country in the world.
There is some emerging evidence that mandatory wearing of masks everywhere might.

I genuinely cannot wear a mask/face covering or shield, so judging by some of the comments on here, I should not go in any shops when the 24th hits.

Of course you can. You are exempt.

It's just something that needs to be done, like wearing seatbelts

I remember when those laws came in, the awful fuss about it all and idiots thinking they were clever and big because they refused to do so. Now no one thinks anything about wearing a seatbelt.

It'll be the same with masks, they'll become standard and no-one will really give the whole thing a second thought.

I don't like them, I overheat and pant and my glasses steam up, but I don't like the idea of a nasty death, more. So I'll just wear it, bear it and grin. ( Not that anyone will see the grin through the mask. Hmm how about transparent ones?)

*It’s the same lot that shriek and yelled that schools needed to close immediately as we were killing their children but then a few weeks later are hurling abuse at teachers and schools for causing irrecoverable damage to the child’s education, career and life for not reopening ..... no change in the science about the fact that the most likely transmission is lots of people together in an enclosed space for long periods of time.

The same people who hurled abuse of anyone stepped out the house and went for two walks a day but then screeched for lockdown to be over ........ no change in the science .... walking past people in the open air .... very low chance

Now masks ..... more screeching, virtue signal tosh. The same people who were posting the video of the woman in mask and gloves touching face & every thing and this spreading the ‘ paint’ .....some people are just hardwired to do the rules bigger, Better and harder than the rest no matter how nonsensical. *

Talk about screeching.

What the f are you on about?

I'm for masks but here you are rolling that into some hideous SM cliche and calling it fact.

The OP posted about anti mask shaming but what the actual fuck are you doing?