With this virus England now needs to be treated separately to the rest of the UK

[annabel85]

When you look at the daily figures the death rate in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is usually always now 0 or very low single digits with even infection rates in the single digits per day.

England on the other hand is recording 100+ death rates most days and a few hundred new cases. The fact Scotland, Wales and N Ireland are so low is giving England a false sense of security.

Therefore we're at the point where England's figures should be reported separately. The other home nations have took the virus seriously and not rushed to ease restrictions until the rates were low enough and more stringent rules.

It's not the 'UK' that is announcing more deaths every day than the rest of EU put together it's England announcing more deaths than the rest of Europe including the home nations.

I suppose we could split it even further into north and south of England as well? Or, hey, let's just say Leicester? Would you feel the same if the positions were reversed? I find posts like this divisive tbh and can't see what you're trying to get out of it. Most people (who are interested) can see the daily stats and understand what's going on and unless the UK is split up, we're all in this together. But I accept our opinions differ.

Don't think it would make much difference to report to numbers separately. If people are interested it's easy enough to find, but I doubt most people care.

They are being treated separately. They have different restrictions.

The numbers are reported separately, I can easily find the numbers for PHE (which is actually an awful lot less than 100 deaths a day in hospital at the very least, more like

I know the figures get broken down but England as a nation, and specifically governance, needs to get a grip on why Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are reporting zero (or very few) deaths every day and few rates of infection. Obviously England will be higher because of population but even look at England compared to Spain or Italy now who got blindsided by the virus a few weeks earlier.

We're still not taking it seriously and the figures show Scotland, Wales and Ireland are.

We shut the whole country down for 3 months, how much more seriously do you want people to take it?

Cases in Wales, Scotland and NI have always been lower than England so of course they are lower now.

Plus health is a devolved issue and do the 4 nations are being treated differently. Not sure what else you want.

Then look at the figures separately then. It's not hard to find.

Cases in Wales, Scotland and NI have always been lower than England so of course they are lower now.

How do you explain the figures in Italy and Spain then, they were a lot higher than ours in Feb and March?

The government are too half arsed about everything in England. Relying on people's 'common sense' rather than making the decision (now seeing it again with masks). People don't comply with requests, it needs to be enforced.

Not sure how reporting the figures for the 4 nations separately makes any difference to the competence or otherwise of the government.

In any event numbers of deaths/cases in Italy, France and Spain were not that far of the U.K. figures when restrictions were relaxed.

What is it that you want, OP? As has been pointed out above, figures for the 4 nations are reported seperately as health is a devolved matter.

We're still not taking it seriously and the figures show Scotland, Wales and Ireland are

It's a bit simplistic to say 'the figures' show that Scotland, Wales and NI are 'taking it seriously' without taking into account obvious differences in things such as population density, ethnic makeup and the presence of major international airports. But that doesn't suit your transparently obvious agenda, does it?

Not sure how reporting the figures for the 4 nations separately makes any difference to the competence or otherwise of the government.

I just think it's giving England a false sense of security because the other home nations are helping keeping the figures lower. Scotland are down to single figures now in daily cases and while rates have to be factored into population numbers, it's still several times lower than England per head.

It's putting England to shame.

I can understand what you mean and I think there is a marked difference in the nations but I'm not sure it makes a huge difference mathematically as England is 84% of the UK population.

UK data isn't directly comparable with other countries. Our "dying with Covid" data catches a huge amount more inevitable deaths than countries where the requirement is more specific.

Countries like Spain requiring a net gain of tourists to contribute to its economy have an interest in making the numbers look low and "safe"

For population, you're better comparing Scotland to London rather than England, but that's still not a fair comparison with area/ population density and higher risk proportion of the population.

Dividing the UK is senseless anyway. People will just drive over the non-existent borders. We are not fully devolved nations and Wales/ Scotland will suffer along with England if unnecessarily tight restrictions are applied to the UK as an international policy.

It's putting England to shame.
I'll hang my head and take one for the team.
(I'm off this thread..)

You mean that England that's contributing to your costs with regards to covid.

There's an outbreak in Melbourne at the moment, I don't see the rest of Australia saying "we're having nothing to do with you"

Are you living in Scotland OP?, you sound like my relative.

He would go and help rebuild the wall if he could.

This is going to be great for Scotland’s tourism sector. On its knees already.

If you scale the population of Wales up to the population of England they had the equivalent of around 460 cases today by my calculations. I'm not sure it's really all that different.

It's completely unrealistic to compote England as a whole with Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland. Their populations are tiny in comparison. The whole of Scotland and Northern Ireland would fit into London alone.
Far more realistic to look at regions in England (the size of scotland or Wales or Northern ireland) and focus on isolating outbreaks and keep them local so it doesn't become a nationwide thing again.

Compare not Compote lol

@HairyFloppins

Are you living in Scotland OP?, you sound like my relative.

He would go and help rebuild the wall if he could.

I'm not in England but I know Scots who are absolutely appalled at the way England (specifically the cabinet in Westminster) have handled this and don't want the English crossing the border at the moment.

*not in Scotland it was meant to read

What have the English done that the Scots haven't? We have been all staying in. Everyone I know has. They have been flouting the rules in Scotland as well. My MIL is constantly moaning about it. My SIL's neighbours have been having constant parties.

I'm not in England but I know Scots who are absolutely appalled at the way England (specifically the cabinet in Westminster) have handled this and don't want the English crossing the border at the moment

These people are not very bright. Or perhaps have an agenda entirely unrelated to a 'fear' of the virus.

Rates of the virus in most parts of England are very low. Very few of "the English" are infected. Since these people are so interested in differentiating by geography, they should know that while rates are high in say, Leicester, there are very likely parts of England where they are lower than in parts of Scotland.

But let's be real here. This isn't really about a fear of catching Covid, is it?

Ok , I live in Wales and think the Welsh govt are dealing with things terribly slowly ( killing the poor already Welsh economy as they go )
However , around 3 million people live in Wales , and 53 million live in England .. which might make the figures read a little differently