With this virus England now needs to be treated separately to the rest of the UK

[annabel85]

When you look at the daily figures the death rate in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is usually always now 0 or very low single digits with even infection rates in the single digits per day.

England on the other hand is recording 100+ death rates most days and a few hundred new cases. The fact Scotland, Wales and N Ireland are so low is giving England a false sense of security.

Therefore we're at the point where England's figures should be reported separately. The other home nations have took the virus seriously and not rushed to ease restrictions until the rates were low enough and more stringent rules.

It's not the 'UK' that is announcing more deaths every day than the rest of EU put together it's England announcing more deaths than the rest of Europe including the home nations.

can understand what you mean and I think there is a marked difference in the nations but I'm not sure it makes a huge difference mathematically as England is 84% of the UK population.

Mathematically, while England has 84% of the population, it has 95% of the deaths.

The 'UK' should never have been compared against individual countries as it's never been one single country. We are not one nation and we are all being managed differently and by different people.

There were not street parties on VE day in Scotland and our beaches haven't been packed on sunny days in the past few weeks. We're mostly being very well-behaved, even in heavily populated areas like the central belt. We're now reaping the rewards, although I was mightily pissed off to hear holidaymakers with English accents in our seaside town yesterday.

We absolutely don't appreciate being lumped in with England and it's failures.

OP the awful people in England are helping provide the funding to keep your covid measures going and support 'your' people. See we are not all bad!

Is this a post just to cause divide
You also realise the uk report all figures , hospitals , care homes etc
Not every other country is reporting the same way ,
The scottish dont want the English coming over , really as i lnow of scottish people coming into england or does it only go one way

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder awful post you cant compare and there are plenty of scottish people visiting england is that ok ? Is it just one way that matters

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder also there are people on scotland breaking rules as well be honest , in towns etc gathering as well its not perfect no where is

I was mightily pissed off to hear holidaymakers with English accents in our seaside town yesterday

I'll bet the hotel owners, restaurant managers, publicans etc were very happy to hear them however.

And how do you know these "holidaymakers with English accents" didn't live in perfect Scotland, where nobody 'flouts' the rules and where the government only has the people's best interests at heart? Of is possession of an English accent enough to be shunned like a leper?

OP the awful people in England are helping provide the funding to keep your covid measures going and support 'your' people. See we are not all bad!

Bull. Scottish people also pay tax, as well as having put way more into the UK coffers in the past 50 years than it has ever taken out.

There are very few large gatherings in Scottish cities, and much less rule-breaking. The MSM keep trying to find photographic evidence that would rival England's groups, but they fail.

I wouldn't be too worried about a few Scots visiting England, we're much less likely to be infecting anyone.

This obsession with VE Day and the beaches!! There has been absolutely no uptick in cases as a result of either of these things. Why people continue to congratulate themselves for not going to the beach like they're single handedly beating Covid is beyond me.

@HairyFloppins

What have the English done that the Scots haven't? We have been all staying in. Everyone I know has. They have been flouting the rules in Scotland as well. My MIL is constantly moaning about it. My SIL's neighbours have been having constant parties.

1) Masks have been made compulsory in shops

2. There was a travel limit in Scotland so you didn't get the insanity of half a million people on a beach, many traveling hundreds of miles

3. Pubs and restaurants have waited an extra couple of weeks to open

I'll bet the hotel owners, restaurant managers, publicans etc were very happy to hear them however.

None of these places are open in Scotland yet.

They were holidaymakers, I have absolutely no doubt.

*Some pub beer gardens are open with strict time regulations and personal data being taken for tracking purposes.

@annabel85 - ooops sorry to break it to you but I know of quite a few English due to travel up to Scotland in the next week or so

I’m sure they won’t make the same mistake again. That warm Scottish welcome...

So are the Welsh also not welcome in Scotland then?

Even going by head of population, Scotland is in a very different and far better position than England. We’re on course for effective eradication within the month or so. Assuming things do go wrong. I’m worried about pubs reopening next week.

Our main danger is from imported cases. There is a logical argument for quarantining travellers from England. It should not be political.

*None of these places are open in Scotland yet.

They were holidaymakers, I have absolutely no doubt*

So these disease ridden holders of English accents came all the way to Scotland to walk on a beach with no restaurants, pubs or cafes? When they could enjoy all the latter in infected England?

It's localised even within England, and what difference would it make?
And remember who is holding the devolved nations economies up...

I am a huge critic of the way the UK government have handled this but the current data shows significant pockets of infection in Wales and Scotland as well as in England.
E.g Neath Port Talbot in Wales 1723 cases per million, Midlothian 1,020 cases per million

The whole of London and the SE is currently below 1,000 cases per million.

Masks in shops in Scotland only became compulsory on Friday. I was in Scotland last week and it looked no different to me than where I am in England. There is talk of Boris bringing in compulsory mask wearing in England.

Would you have let me in OP as a Scottish person living in the north of England visiting a terminally ill DF? There have been no deaths in the hospital trust in our area for a few weeks now.

I am really beginning to get the impression that the virus is now being used to score political points and create division between English and Scottish people.

OP - your grammar suggests you are Scottish; your bitterness suggests you aren’t happy at living outwith (see what I did there) Scotland.

@annabel85

Yawn.. have you got nothing better to do than moan at how awful England is?

Wasn’t it the concealment of an outbreak in Edinburgh that significantly contributed to the large number of cases in the North East of England?

As someone who lives in Scotland, as MSM rarely show news about Scotland that isn't political if you only watch MSM it seems that many more English people are no longer following the rules, drunken people in the streets, beaches, and illegal raves and streets parties.

I'm sure in scotland we have a similar number of fuckwits. I think our government is more realistic about that than Westminster so our science has factored in this when making decisions.

In Scotland we seem to makes changes in a slower way than in England but I'm not sure how much this has an impact.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are going for eliminating the virus. England isn't. (Boris has been asked to confirm this but he won't)

I agree, I am in England and compared to the rest of the UK and we have, and continue to, fuck up beyond belief.

@feellikeanalien

Masks in shops in Scotland only became compulsory on Friday. I was in Scotland last week and it looked no different to me than where I am in England. There is talk of Boris bringing in compulsory mask wearing in England.

Would you have let me in OP as a Scottish person living in the north of England visiting a terminally ill DF? There have been no deaths in the hospital trust in our area for a few weeks now.

I am really beginning to get the impression that the virus is now being used to score political points and create division between English and Scottish people.

And Gove today contradicted that, apparently we as a country (England) can be trusted to act responsibly and wear masks as it is only good manners to do so!