Are Jewish people BAME?

[novacaneforthepain]

I have looked this up and find so many different answers. Does anyone know for a fact?

I can think of very few situations where someone’s supposed disapproval of the Israeli government isn’t a thinly veiled excuse for racism. I truly believe some people have valid issues with the state of Israel and some of their actions but you tend to get a sense for those people. Many people who claim to be anti Semitic are plain old racists.

100% agree Haenow

Gosh well I am fiercely anti Israeli policies about several things (Plus many other countries‘ and our own ffs!) i really do not think I am anti Semitic at all and have never seen them as predicated one upon the other.

Being of Jewish heritage I’m also against the land grabbing and apartheid of The Palestinians

Heron and Sallie,

What is your view on the Jordanian treatment of their indigenous Palestinian population?

Hi Larry not dissimilar. It’s not a feeling though - it is a political view. The politics are very different. The end result has similarities.
I would ask your view but I really was answering a previous poster’s very specific point - wasn’t intending opening the thread up to wider debate - I said I also was fiercely critical of many countries policies. Not sure why Jordan comes into it but I’ve answered.

My view is that people whose only interest is to criticise Israeli policies without regard for context or history, and has little interest in the rest of the Middle East, is a closet anti-Semite (even if they do not want to admit it to themselves).

The day I see a pro-Palestinian protest featuring Jordan and Israel equally, my scepticism may be reduced.

Heron,

www.hrw.org/report/2010/02/01/stateless-again/palestinian-origin-jordanians-deprived-their-nationality

Just one of many articles explaining the Jordanian/Palestinian situation.

But Larry I wasn’t at all ‘only interested in criticising Israeli policies without context or history’. I was answering Haenow’s assertions (I should have made that more
Clear I guess).
I can’t quite tell if you are suggesting I am ‘a closet ant- Semite’ - i don’t think so, but if so I’d like you to withdraw that as I take huge exception to it.
As for the article don’t worry I have many decades of political awareness under my belt as I said about many countries including our own, many policies - not sure if you thought I needed to read it ?

Oh FFS. Can people just stop talking about Israel at all in a thread about covid deaths amongst British Jewish people please? The OP was asking to understand ethnicity to understand her own risk, not for people to start a political debate about other unrelated countries.

Heron,

You cannot in two sentences say you are ‘not sure where Jordan comes into it’ and that ‘you have many decades of political awareness’. You may well have these in general but, clearly, your knowledge of Israeli history is sketchy at best. And yet you feel that you can criticise its policies. Why?

I have no idea whether you are an anti Semite. I don’t know you from Adam (or Eve) but I am distrustful, in general, of those who have little interest in Middle Eastern politics, save for a small democratic (not perfectly but better than most) nation of around 9 million people, and then merely to criticise and not suggest any meaningful solution.

I am afraid I just meet too many people like this.

I can say it and I did say it. They are not contradictory. Agree this was a really interesting thread re BAME and made me think about ‘ethnic’ and di some reading last night etc. Apols to anyone who’s been diverted - wasn’t at all my intention.

'But Israel & Palestine' is a common argument from anti-Semites who don't seem to get nearly so exercised by, say Indonesia occupying Papua, China's claims on Tibet & Taiwan, Turkey in Cyprus, Russia's various grabs, and so on.

@MRex

Oh FFS. Can people just stop talking about Israel at all in a thread about covid deaths amongst British Jewish people please? The OP was asking to understand ethnicity to understand her own risk, not for people to start a political debate about other unrelated countries.

Agreed.,This always happens in debates about racism and Judaism. It’s highly unpleasant.

@MRex

Oh FFS. Can people just stop talking about Israel at all in a thread about covid deaths amongst British Jewish people please? The OP was asking to understand ethnicity to understand her own risk, not for people to start a political debate about other unrelated countries.

Its weird how it virtually always comes up, we’ve sadly had a colleague drop a similar line when talking about different ethnicities suffering covid more than others.

Agree with the others.

It’s the equivalent of someone American asking a practical question eg about what the position is for someone wanting to move across from the states to UK and people replying about American policy in Iraq and how much they disapprove of it.

Strangely, though...that doesn’t seem to happen really

Funnily enough as a UK based partly Jewish person I don’t have a huge influence on Israeli policy

The OP was asking to understand ethnicity to understand her own risk

No she wasn't. Why would you look at such a broad heterogenous group to determine that? Surely you'd look at Jewish specific data

@Floatyboat actually I was

I view Jewish people as ethnic I used to work with Jewish people several years ago. Even though they are pale in skin tone and some olive skinned. You can see a lot of them have ethnic features that border with Asian features. Also their culture is completely different to British even though they may live in Britain.

@Floatyboat - why not just read the thread, you can learn about the OP posting why she wanted to know and the known higher death rates for Jewish people.

'@Floatyboat actually I was'

I have to say that is a really weird way to go about understanding your own risk! One google of risk to Jewish ethnicity of Covid got me some pretty specific and up-to-date statistics within about 5 seconds.

I did assume it was a broader question...

As it was posted on the coronavirus board, I don’t think it was weird at all. There are many, many questions on here that could have been googled.

I didn't want to google it and I was interested in the discussion around it too

@larrygrylls - it was on the coronavirus board! No reason to think there was any other question.

@novacaneforthepain - I did have a bit of a look to see if anyone has done new analysis and couldn't see much that's useful except that the numbers are small (coincidence is still a possibility?). I think you'll need to wait and see but try not to worry as it may not mean anything specific about risks to you.