Are Jewish people BAME?

[novacaneforthepain]

I have looked this up and find so many different answers. Does anyone know for a fact?

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What people are failing to see is that ethnicity isn't the same as race. Ethnicity has cultural ties. The same way a Hispanic can be white mixed, black, or native American. Any Hispanic would still count as BAME IMO.

As Shoots says the hatred can be due to something such as last name. This needs protecting against.

@LilQueenie

lower vitamin D shows a higher death rate particularly in the BAME groups. where was it ever stated that BAME groups have a higher chance of contracting covid. the only risk talked about has been death rate or severity.

I'm pretty sure I've read about BAME people being more at risk of catching Covid because of their prevalence in front line or key worker roles so it could be both catching it and having complications. I suppose, though, that as testing wasn't done on mild cases until recently, the information probably wasn't clear enough.

Since when have the far left blamed Jewish people for things?!
I mean there are always individuals but how is that a thing amongst the far left?
This is a really interesting thread. My own assumption was/is that some Jewish people are white and some are BAME.

Since when have the far left blamed Jewish people for things?!

I think Marx wrote

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question

It goes back a while

If your DNA heritage is jewish ashkenazi or sephardic then yes that is BAME

@FannyFoundation do you mean in terms of biologically BAME for the purpose of assessing COVID risk? Or are you talking more generally about BAME in societal/racism contexts?

The reason I ask is because I haven't seen anything specific to any Jewish genetic profile being a higher risk factor for COVID (if you strip away religious and cultural factors and focus solely on genetics) but would be very interested to learn more (for my own/family’s benefit) if you've seen some info on this.

In the government BAME report, they've distinguished between BAME and white British/other white majority populations. Which would suggest that white minority populations would be caught under BAME, although they don't seem to be discussed.

Obviously, I’m not saying that white minority ethnic people should have been the focus in that report as it’s absolutely right that it focussed on non-white people given the context. But I do think that if those minority ethnic white groups weren’t included in the statistics, this should have been made clear in their methodology. They specifically stated that native Americans and native Australasians were excluded from their definition of BAME for statistical purposes - why not also mention that white minority ethnic people are excluded if that’s the case?

Because religion and ethnicity are 2 different matters when statistics are taken into consideration.
It’s not saying in the news if you’re a Muslim you’re more likely to be at risk from Covid for example
Today 15:14 AnnaJKing

What’s that got to do with anything, Laburnam?

@IdblowJonSnow

Since when have the far left blamed Jewish people for things?! I mean there are always individuals but how is that a thing amongst the far left? This is a really interesting thread. My own assumption was/is that some Jewish people are white and some are BAME.

😳 Heavens. It’s been going on on the left since forever. People on the left with sympathies with the kind of thinking that the Baader-Meinhof gang espoused that a shadowy group of powerful Jews controlled foreign policy, the whole popularising of anti-Zionism ... it’s very common to a lot of people on the left (I consider myself left-wing and in support of Israel).

www.google.ca/amp/s/m.jpost.com/blogs/the-view-from-the-uk/antisemitism-is-integral-to-the-european-lefts-anti-capitalist-paranoia-498334/amp

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/05/j-hobson-jeremy-corbyn-and-history-left-wing-anti-semitism

www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/shame-of-anitsemitism-on-left-has-long-malign-history

And as people keep pointing out, if Romany are ME, then surely so are people born Jewish?

This whole thread is about ethnicity, Laburnam.

No, why would they be?

All the Jewish people I know/have known consider themselves to be white and whatever their nationality/origin is based on their parents so half English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish/whatever other nationality their parents hold.

I think the PP who said anti-Semitism is seen as an “acceptable” racism was right. In my experience, those on the Left are most likely to say they are not anti-Semitic and claim that they are instead “anti-Israel” - yet at the same time conflate Jews and Israel and challenge British Jews to answer for the actions of Israel. I’ve also heard about Jewish “control” of financial institutions quite a bit from the left. I say all this as someone who regards herself as very left wing, but that aspect of it makes me very uncomfortable.

Of course I can be anti israel and not racist towards jewish people.

@XxxSallyMaexxX - Wow. I don't think you can be "anti-Israel" and not be anti-Semitic actually, that would involve believing that certain people have no right to have their own country. Many of the most ardent anti-Semites wouldn't go that far. You might be anti- certain Israeli political parties, policies or members of the Knesset. But I doubt you could even name them. You might try to educate yourself on the dangers of the language you use before pontificating. Maybe even educate yourself about Israel, go crazy.

Can you be more patronising?

Truth hurts, hey.

@XxxSallyMaexxX

Of course I can be anti israel and not racist towards jewish people.

I believe one can be anti the Jewish state without being anti Semitic. In reality, it often goes hand in hand.

"Certain people have no right to have their own country"... the irony 😂

@XxxSallyMaexxX - oh dear, you can't read. I know you THINK you're making a clever point about Palestine, but what you've actually done is use anti-Semitic language in a thread that's about a higher prevalence of a particular group dying of covid. That's vile and I hope you'd be ashamed of yourself if you were willing to think for a minute.

It's too easy to shut down criticism of israel using the anti semitic card. Anyway this thread is about ethnicity so i'm not engaging anymore and hiding it. Have a nice day!

Being anti-Israel is anti Semitic. Being anti some of the actions and policies of the Israel government is not anti semitic

“Playing the anti Semitic (racism) card” is often a term used by individuals who are unconsciously - and sometimes consciously - racist.

@lootsharks

No, why would they be?

All the Jewish people I know/have known consider themselves to be white and whatever their nationality/origin is based on their parents so half English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish/whatever other nationality their parents hold.

Why should they be? Well, due to the definition of ethnicity and culture and indeed the law. There has always been debate.

Being anti-Israel is anti Semitic

Is that true? Its not self evidently true I'd argue. They often go together, but do they always?