Vaccine thread

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I know someone on another thread suggest someone start one of these. Considering I've just watched a video with the person leading the vaccine trial,I thought now's as good a time as any. Here's the link to the video,it's really hopeful

Thanks for that! I’ve been following the vaccine development from the beginning and willing Oxford on! I’m keeping everything crossed!

Vaccine watch. A list of all vaccines and stages of development www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

I’m a keen vaccine watcher as well. What do you think will be the order of rollout? I’d go for:-

1. Frontline NHS and care staff, plus police and firefighters

2. The extremely clinically vulnerable (shielding) group

3. clinically vulnerable (Over 70’s and younger people with medical conditions)

4. healthy adults in public-facing jobs, e.g. retail workers, teachers

5. other adults in age order from oldest to youngest

I can’t work out where children should fit in this, though, given that the risk to them is very low.

Yeah children are a difficult one - low risk but fairly easy to roll out if back at school

I remember Jonathan Van Tam saying in one of the daily briefings that any vaccine would initially only be licensed for use in adults. As they are also pretty much the lowest risk group I suspect they’ll be vaccinated last.

I’d therefore vaccinate teachers and school staff in one of the earliest groups.

Great thread, following with interest.

The eligibility for flu vaccine in the UK is 25 million people - you could probably take the primary school children out of that as I wouldn’t consider them first priority for a Covid vaccination, but I guess that would be your first tranche - albeit maybe broken down into healthcare workers first etc.
As it is, Astra Zeneca are making enough of the vaccine so the amount doesn’t seem to be problem, just the logistics of administering it.

An interesting thread - will follow. I’ve watched the video too and found it really informative.

I read in sky news that the oxford vaccine is now expected by October.

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-oxford-university-vaccine-to-provide-protection-for-about-a-year-says-drugmaker-12007789

Yeah, bit of a worry about how they are going to deliver the flu jab this year. I get the flu jab and also need vitamin B12 injections but my GP surgery are refusing to do them, it is too risky, maybe they dont have enough PPE. I am doing my own B12 jab from a syringe I got off the internet.

Surely they need to do the flu jabs this year to avoid overloading the NHS over winter

If they would post it to me I would give it to myself!

I read somewhere they are actually considering giving everyone free flu jabs this year to try support the NHS! Although the logistics of administering it seem tricky!

Thanks for the thread! Will watch that video now.

Just catching up on the daily briefing where Matt Hancock was speaking about the vaccine. He announced priority will be given to; front line health and social workers and those at high risk of serious disease who include adults over 50, and those with heart and kidney disease. Also considering other high risk groups including individuals from BAME group. I'm surprised there was no mention of those with lung disease especially as the virus attacks the lungs and causes respiratory problems. I have asthma and have been isolating since end of March on doctors advice. It sounds like they will be adding more groups to the list. He said there was a document published with regards to this but I can't seem to find it anywhere. If anyone comes across it please could you share.

Just found it here : www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi/interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

See asthma is curious. Statistically, mild-moderate asthmatics are not fairing any worse than those without it. Moderate - severe, there is some evidence to suggest this cohort may be more likely to require hospital treatment. Brittle asthma was removed from the shielding list.

Interestingly MERS & SARS did not cause asthma to be exacerbated. Obviously this is a different virus but still a coronavirus none the less.

I’ve got mild asthma & been told I don’t need to take any extra precautions by my GP. Limit risk as per everyone else but otherwise off I go.

Thanks for the thread, I’ve been trying to keep up with the webinars & videos coming out of Oxford but easier said than done with a 3 month old!

Ah yes, on the government website it mentions severe asthma being high on the priority list which ties in with what I’ve read into about asthma.. those on high dose steroids will qualify!

@Bol87

See asthma is curious. Statistically, mild-moderate asthmatics are not fairing any worse than those without it. Moderate - severe, there is some evidence to suggest this cohort may be more likely to require hospital treatment. Brittle asthma was removed from the shielding list.

Interestingly MERS & SARS did not cause asthma to be exacerbated. Obviously this is a different virus but still a coronavirus none the less.

I’ve got mild asthma & been told I don’t need to take any extra precautions by my GP. Limit risk as per everyone else but otherwise off I go.

Thanks for the thread, I’ve been trying to keep up with the webinars & videos coming out of Oxford but easier said than done with a 3 month old!

That's reassuring to know about asthmatics not fairing any worse. I've always had mild asthma but I was really unwell in October and since then my asthma has been unstable and being closely monitored by GP but definitely not at a severe level.

As much as these updates are great I do feel like it's a bit premature to be releasing this sort of information especially without the first set of data being published from the clinical trials. I would of expected this sort of information to be released once they are 100% certain it will work. In addition, things can change, so one group may think they are getting vaccine first, then suddenly that may change.

I'd prioritise the age 80+ who suffer about 80% of the COVID deaths

then the 70+
then 60+
then frontline healthcare workers

Age is the dominating risk, doubling ever 6-7 years

e.g. 60 year old has about 8 x the risk of 40 year old
and 64 x the risk of a 20-year old

Only a handful of conditions come anywhere near the risk of being even 10 years older

Surprised to see that on the government’s interim list those with diabetes are not included, seeing as that seems to be a significant risk fact.

Mind you, I will qualify anyway as I’m over 50 and obese.

So at the moment as a type 1 diabetic and under 50 (just) I would not get it, but my just about turned 50 DH with no underlying condition, not BAME, obese etc would?!

Seems odd. And worrying. Hope this changes.

The inclusion of 50+ is a real game changer but does seem to reflect understandings of risk

Was bit shocked that (other than nhs workers) that shielders, after having it rammed down our throats how at risk we are, and at the start that we'd likely not get a ventilator, and that general air of "some one died" =they had 'underlying condition' =" meh, survival of the fittest". I do recognise I may be being sensitive, but I'm mid 30's,and been balancing wfh and a teething, toilet training toddler, and am fed up with UK government approach to dealing and communicating with England's shielders.

As a fit and healthy 52 year old women, I was a bit shocked to suddenly be in the high risk group for early vaccination. I'd have gone for health and care workers, shielded and over 60s first.

If it’s any comfort, @cathyandclare, the written list is more nuanced. Health and social care workers first, then over 50’s and those with health conditions. But not diabetes. Though personally I think that is an oversight, and that @Silverstar2 will be in that tranche by the time it happens.

Agree with people with diabetes being vaccinated early- also an argument for vaccinating men from 45/50-60 earlier than women.