Vaccine thread

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I know someone on another thread suggest someone start one of these. Considering I've just watched a video with the person leading the vaccine trial,I thought now's as good a time as any. Here's the link to the video,it's really hopeful

Yes, I agree that men should be vaccinated from a younger age. They also need to look at ethnicity. So maybe it should be white women over 50, BAME women and white men over 45 and BAME men over 40.

*1) Frontline NHS and care staff, plus police and firefighters

2. The extremely clinically vulnerable (shielding) group

3. clinically vulnerable (Over 70’s and younger people with medical conditions)

4. healthy adults in public-facing jobs, e.g. retail workers, teachers

5. other adults in age order from oldest to youngest*

I’d swap 1 and 2 round and put schoolchildren after group 2. Not so much on the basis that they get the virus badly but so it’s a greater section of the population becoming immune and also administering through schools is quite straightforward

Yes, I am surprised at all over 50s, but not diabetes, I assume that will be put on the list, as it seems to be a major risk factor.

I presume both me and DH will get it:

Me- 50 - coronary artery spasm/angina, cerebro small vessel disease, fibromyalgia

DH- 54- no known health probs but there is a LOT of diabetes in his family, all his brothers have it

Oxford vaccine trials have now started in Brazil and South Africa has now been included in these trials too.

www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/

www.sciencefocus.com/news/oxford-vaccine-trial-on-pigs-boosts-coronavirus-immune-response/

It looks like the issues with the monkey trials might be solved by 2 doses. Quite normal I think in the vaccine world so makes sense (MMR is 2, the first immunisations we have are 3 sets of some and Yellow fever I remember being 2)

Thanks for the links! It feels very positive.

The JCVI has published on likely priority groups:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi

Fingers crossed

Do you think it’ll be available via private companies ? I.e you can only travel into xyz country if you have the vaccine (like it happens with some others)

They seem to have moved very quickly to get trials up and running in Brazil. Hopefully that will give them some earlier results than the UK trial.

I have everything crossed for this vaccine...!
Really hope they get results soon.

[quote Ali2020]I read in sky news that the oxford vaccine is now expected by October.

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-oxford-university-vaccine-to-provide-protection-for-about-a-year-says-drugmaker-12007789[/quote]
If this is the case, why are they saying early 2021 for vaccines?

Also, will the report on antibodies rapidly reducing affect the ability of any vaccine?

@newjez could it be early 2021 for the general public (ie those who don't fall into the at risk categories)?

I thought they’d always said September for the Oxford vaccine with the imperial one potentially being ready in 2021. So October is a slightly later date.

Great updates thank you!

40 million doses of the Oxford vaccine are expected in September/October time depending on when they get sufficient data from the clinical trials to prove it works. Assuming it does I would anticipate they will seek to vaccinate healthcare workers and the most vulnerable first. I suspect t it will be early next year before a vaccine is available more widely even if Oxford is successful.

As I understand it the way the Oxford vaccine works they are hoping it will produce a better immune response than that which occurs following infection. A vaccine that provided 12 months’ immunity would be sufficient to deal with the immediate pandemic. Second generation vaccines may we’ll be able to improve on the first attempts.

If the vaccine works and is able to immunise healthcare workers, and those vulnerable (shielding, over 50s etc) by October, then could we end social distancing? As the most vulnerable are protected?

Not really with 17m in the vulnerable category.
But i would hope that you can pay privately.
Many people would pay a few hundred and the profit could be used to vaccinate others.
I can see why vaccinate the hcp
Younger so less interactions with underlying conditions
They are the ones spreading as they dont necessarily feel ill.
Over 70s could stay in longer as they dont have to go to work.
However if say vaccinating what happens if youve already had covid.
And should people already having had it be deprioritised especially if they had it asymptomatically.

They definitely should let it be bought as
Some people wont be able to be vaxxed i assume
Apparently older people often domt mount a good response to vaxes
Some people wont want to be vaxxed
As pp said what if you need it to go to say Aus or NZ or another country

Agree it's odd as diabetics arent shielding despite almost a third of the deaths.

Re flu jabs could they not do nasal sprays so they hand it to you to do yourself. Those do shed live virus though i think...
Ive had to do ivf injections. Surely most people could inject a vax themself!
Tbh thry need to start on areas with low antibody reaults as that is where an outbreak will start.

Difficult because people like BJ probably have good antibodies but if tey did catch again very likely to need icu again

The first vaccines will be by injection because other methods of delivery take longer to develop although they are looking into it as I understand.

Realistically I think it’s unlikely to be available privately initially. One of the major issues is physically producing enough doses of the vaccine quickly. I suspect everything they produce will be used by the government.

I saw today that they were now testing the Imperial college vaccine on people. So that's another in the pipeline

And the Chinese are using their army to test another:

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-vaccine/cansinos-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-approved-for-military-use-in-china-idUSKBN2400DZ

Why are some doubting that healthcare professionals should get it first?

I’m a doctor and young and not scared of covid (I am fortunate enough to be very healthy). But I have had colleagues in intensive care and very poorly. I’ve worked with consultants who are quite frankly terrified. Healthcare staff have risked so much and continue to do so, they should be protected.

So many outbreaks start in hospitals, probably spread by asymptomatic staff members. That needs to stop.

Diabetics aren’t on the shielding list because there’s too many of us. 1 in 16
You could limit it to type 1 diabetics as our risk is higher than t2 diabetics. We are of the most clinically vulnerable groups but seem to have been largely overlooked.

One of the most

I desperately hope this is not available privately. I hope that this vaccine goes to those who need it most first of all, not just those who have the ability to pay.