Outdoors-only pubs and restaurants to reopen on June 22nd

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I guess the science has officially left the building. The threat of 3.5 million job losses in the hospitality sector had swung it.

@Polkadotties

I think some people really fail to grasp what would happen if a whole sector of the economy was basically wiped out. The outcome would be far far greater than that of a disease which has killed a small number of the population, the majority of which are the elderly.

I agree total lack of ability to grasp this

So we'll all be allowed to sit and drink / dine in a pub garden?

In the pissing rain of a great British summer when we can't usher people indoors to stay dry?

What happens on days it rains all day, do we just not open our pubs? (I work in hospitality and really can't see this working too well when you get to the nitty gritty of it)

one step at a time

I guess pubs will be flocking to construct some sort of shelter/roof for rainy days.?

Maybe it won’t be too long before we can eat inside at restaurants anyway. Surely by September at the latest?

Great. I really think the education of children comes before the pubs though. Where is the plan for schools?

So we can all sit outside getting drunk in the rain but have no idea if our kids will be back properly in September.

Sounds good to me, we are already doing it - pub is selling beer at the door, you sit on the grass bank or some are bringing camping chairs. Same goes for the Italian around the corner. Fully pedestrianised area.

In the pissing rain of a great British summer when we can't usher people indoors to stay dry?

Umbrella. Raincoat if needed. Quite frankly, I wouldn't give a damn if the flooded beer garden was about to start overflowing the tops of my wellies!

The threat of 3.5 million job losses in the hospitality sector had swung it.

So that’s irrelevant to you, is it, OP?

3.5 million job losses WILL lead to deaths, suicides from bankruptcy premature death due to poor nutrition, children under performing in school due to poor housing ... no decision is neutral

It will be interesting to see if they have smoking and non-smoking sections or if some places will be fully non-smoking or smoking allowed.

Completely stupid. Alcohol = no social distancing.

Outdoor cafes, fine. But nowhere selling alcohol.

I think some people really fail to grasp what would happen if a whole sector of the economy was basically wiped out

I do appreciate this but 22 June is too early.

Sounds like a waste of time, doubt if many pubs could make a profit relying on outdoor sales in a typical UK summer.

@BlueBrian

No matter what rents and overheads need to be paid. Some income in better than no income and something to work from.

The balance in unlocking needs to consider the risks in not unlocking. The number of jobs in this industry at stake is vast. If individuals don’t think pubs and restaurants gardens should open then they don’t need to visit them.

@puffinkoala

I think some people really fail to grasp what would happen if a whole sector of the economy was basically wiped out

I do appreciate this but 22 June is too early.

why?

Our pub.garden is relatively small did seat around 45.I guess if We do reopen it is a small stepping stone.They would have skeleton staff on to service that it with so many cafes near.here doing takeaway and coffee bars at least we would be on the map again.

@CendrillonSings

The threat of 3.5 million job losses in the hospitality sector had swung it.

So that’s irrelevant to you, is it, OP?

Please point to the part of my post where I said it’s irrelevant? I mentioned it precisely because it IS relevant. Don’t project, thanks.

It’s also relevant to say that we have and will continue to see a significant chasm open up between the government and SAGE. That’s an objective statement.

What IS subjective, and what I have stated, is that it’s disgraceful that the government is prioritising adult leisure (as long as it’s economically beneficial), over the social and mental wellbeing of our children. If they’re willing to put forward business proposals for the lowering of the 2m rule to 1m, so that restaurants can reopen, I’m sure they can find a way to reopen playgrounds safely. But that doesn’t matter apparently.

The redundancy cliff edge is looming. Outside is good so all a bit crap atm but on balance, it’s better it’s happening.

Outdoor restaurants opened about 3 weeks ago here (Germany);
indoors about 1 week ago
Food and alcohol.

Cases & deaths continuing to decline
Tables are socially distanced; everyone fills out contact details on a form before being served

What I do find odd though is the priority:
In Germany, schools reopened pt on 4 May, before even the larger shops were allowed, weeks before restaurants, my hairdresser, gym etc

imo, education should be the 1st priority
If every measure risks increasing R0 a bit, then open schools first and then wait a couple of weeks to see what can be added

Serenada I got the graphic from twitter but before you ask, the info that isn't clear at the bottom are fully referenced links to UN official releases from the last few weeks for every assertion. I can't make them readable in my version unfortunately.

It’s also relevant to say that we have and will continue to see a significant chasm open up between the government and SAGE. That’s an objective statement

Where have SAGE - as a group not as individual members - gone on record as saying outdoor restaurants should not open in 2 weeks time? Restaurants, including indoor seating in many cases, have been open for a few weeks in many European countries, so why is Britain so different?

Surely there's going to have be limits on numbers, and what about London, can I then use the train to go up town and visit a pub on the river? Will restrictions be that I still should only use public transport if I have too? I think that's right tbh, why should the rail staff be at risk of me after a few wines on their trains? And how will that be distancing on transport if everyone heads to London for a walk and a beer or to catch up with friends. I'm not sure how this will work other than social distancing out the window!
And then of course why should a pub open but my daughter still not entitled to an education even if only part time with her peers?

"why is Britain so different?"

Opening up restaurants and pubs before schools have been established pt for 2-3 weeks
If R0 is to be raised, the risk is worth it for schools above all else

and no area of the country that is judged too dangerous for schools to reopen should be reopening its hospitality sector

imo, education should be the 1st priority

I wish we’d track closer to Germany, on many things really wrt CV