As there’s been no second wave in any other country why are people so insistent it’s going to happen here?

[whenthejoyreturns]

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening yet there seems to be no sign of a second wave. What makes us so different in the uk that a load of people are convinced it’s inevitable here to the extent that some have even started ‘preparing’ for it?

@MorganKitten There hasn’t really been one in South Korea. There have been two outbreaks. One in a gay club where many people refused they could be connected with it and another one in a factory. I reas the other day related with the club they tracked and traced 4K people.

Also the lockdown in South Korea has been much milder than here. They did focus in track and testing in their first wave and it’s worked for them.

But Boris doesn’t give a shit
Here we go again
Boris was in intensive care ffs! he does give a shit - he cares for the future our children will face with no jobs, he cares about lives AND livelihoods. Just stop blaming this on one person, it's despicable!

@attackedbycritters

The difference between 2 deaths and around 300 is nothing to do with reporting differences. Talk about grasping at straws

I'm not grasping at anything, a list of unsubstantiated numbers is totally meaningless and someone has since posted disputing the Spanish figure.

What is the source for the list?

I've never been a Boris fan. However I think whatever he'd done... Someone would still be mad.

You cannot please all of the people all of the time.

@TerrapinStation I don't know the original source but I have seen it plastered all over FB which makes me think it's likely bullshit.

Boris was in intensive care ffs! he does give a shit - he cares for the future our children will face with no jobs, he cares about lives AND livelihoods

There is zero evidence he cares, he advised us that shaking hands was fine and going to the races was perfectly safe! then allowed untested patients into the care home system, killing 1000s of our elderly.

He doesn't even care about his 7 children (he gave CV to his pregnant partner) let alone ours

a so an internationally respected newspaper isn't good enough for you ?
No actually and if I'm honest I'm not sure I believe government figures either but it's all I've got .
All I think is that if this virus was in China last year it's not took till February/ March to arrive in this country.

Any second wave will come once restrictions have been reduced or relaxed too early. Or when people go mad and don't follow any guidance. Far to early to judge either way. Hopefully if it does come we may have more information about what does and does not help.

he gave CV to his pregnant partner

Oh yeah I'm sure he did that on purpose. Jesus Christ on a bike.

Do you feel the same about everyone who's unknowingly passed it on?!

sorry to derail but a question for @mouseholecat did they ever shut fast food places at all over there

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii yes i recall that to no new cases more kids going back in

Not understanding a new virus and being consciously uncaring are totally different @iwantmysay

Anyway, @whenthejoyreturns this might help:

Countries that eased their lockdowns mid-April, reported new infections on 30 May:

Austria 30
Czech Rep 34
Denmark 40
Norway 15

This has surprised even the most optimistic scientists - tweet from Prof Karol Sikora today

Do you feel the same about everyone who's unknowingly passed it on?!

BJ uniquely, had access to this country's best scientific advice, he ignored that and ignored basic infection control knowledge known about for at least 150 years.
He advised us to shake hands, go to the races, football matches with Madrid fans, take in a Stereophonics concert too and then took his pregnant partner to a rugby match right at the height of the european pandemic FFS

Deliberate or just an irresponsible moron? take your pick.

Boris was in intensive care ffs! he does give a shit - he cares for the future our children will face with no jobs, he cares about lives AND livelihoods. Just stop blaming this on one person, it's despicable!

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Deaths in the U.K. are reported differently because their guidelines were changed. The new guidelines are on the gov website.

Figures on the government website have always suffered from the ONS ones. But then officials have also got in front of a camera and given different numbers to the government website.

The new one could be something to do with another virus around the same time. Cannot remember if that was also in Wuhan or somewhere else in China. WHO were also monitoring that one back in January

@EasterIssland the club connections were early May, the lockdown measures went back in place yesterday after new cases in a distribution center.

I think it's amazing the amount of people who think we should remain in lock down forever . We need to go to work if our families are to eat it's as simple as that . Stay as safe as you can minimise your personal risks as much as possible but I would rather actually live my life working hard and spending time with loved ones rather than living a scared non life waiting for each day to end just to find out if anything changes tomorrow .

Italian schools aren't going back till September because school finishes next Saturday until September!

Most things are pretty much back to normal. There is little you can't do now as long as you maintain social distancing and wear a mask, though the masks aren't mandatory unless you're going into a shop etc.

The resorts opened this weekend. Churches started services last weekend. The last things to reopen will be on 15/6 and include cinemas. Most furloughed workers have gone back to work.

Will there be a second wave? We don't know. But lockdown restrictions have been easing slowly for over a month now and there doesn't seem to be one yet.

All I think is that if this virus was in China last year it's not took till February/ March to arrive in this country

Very good point

Well, there have been 16 pandemics since 1900 and all of them have had a second wave. Given that we artificially reduced this one, it just makes sense.

@TheCanterburyWhales that’s really heartening to read, thank you

It is too early to tell in terms of the time that the virus has been around - but most diseases that have reached the pandemic status that we know of, have shown a second (and sometimes third) wave, with hindsight. The hindsight usually amounting to at least 2 years since the emergence of the germ.
Although it's not charting any obvious second wave yet, this is a good digest of relative geography and cases/deaths per week, which is a work in progress:
informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR11ZcZy4cIQ4q-3FrqlzjqxLPPUQyzIm_H4qPh2fCrcx1Bo9BuqPAGc7v0

And this is also perhaps worth thinking around, as it suggests that certain air conditions are more helpful to the transmission of coronaviruses (i.e. winter conditions), and that out of that period, the transmission conditions are less optimal - which means this point could be helpful, but not be the signal for it disappearing just because we think we've done well at lockdown and we think it should: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-humidity-may-affect-covid-19-outcome

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but Japan had a second wave which was worse than first.

Er, what?

I live here. No second wave. Are you sure you are not thinking of Iran?

I dint think there will be a second wave. People keep mentioning S.Korea. There have only been 200 odd deaths there in total! The daily cases are still low. 34 today! Hardly a second wave !

This was posted yesterday.

This shows why coming out of lockdown is far safer in those countries than in the UK:

Deaths yesterday across Europe:

Spain 2
*Italy 87"
Germany 24
*France 52"
Turkey 28
Belgium 42
Sweden 84
Portugal 14
Ireland 6
Poland 13
Romania 13
Hungary 8
Netherlands 28

UK 324

This was posted on FB by a left wing group who are not exactly unbiased in their information. It is comparing apples with oranges as if you look at the rate for spain at least, they started easing lockdown at a similar death rate. The only way that chart would be in anyway comparable was if every country was starting to ease lockdown on the same day.

Always look at your sources, there is as much (more?) propaganda on the left as there is on the right, and people will post things that fit their narrative.