As there’s been no second wave in any other country why are people so insistent it’s going to happen here?

[whenthejoyreturns]

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening yet there seems to be no sign of a second wave. What makes us so different in the uk that a load of people are convinced it’s inevitable here to the extent that some have even started ‘preparing’ for it?

[MarginalGain]

@nibdedibble

(It's also symptomatic of a lack of real understanding coupled with the sheer arrogance that someone who is not an expert can contribute anything to the body of knowledge just because it seems to make some sort of sense in their minds.)

But scientists themselves are investigating the possibility. Do you know more than them? Are they arrogant?

[nibdedibble]

They aren't researching a first wave of the pandemic that somehow got missed. They are looking at the possibility of isolated introductions before the pandemic.

[MarginalGain]

They aren't researching a first wave of the pandemic that somehow got missed. They are looking at the possibility of isolated introductions before the pandemic.

This is nuts. Are you suggesting that 'responsible' or 'smart' or 'not dismissive of the NHS' scientists will set out their investigations with the overarching assumption that they are not looking for many cases, but rather the isolated few?

What if the first wave was just milder, is that not possible?

[jasjas1973]

Releasing prisoners early to spare them from coronavirus?

Very limited, soon to be released anyway, helps with the numbers, shame didn't show the same concern to Care home residents.

Cancelling the NHS migrant charge?

Only for duration of Pandemic and tbf a fucking insult to apply it in the first place.

Yielding to unions?

No he didn't he yeilded to the fact that we have a shite school infrastructure and he announced a plan when there wasn't one.

Maintaining open borders as others close them?

Utter stupidity not to have done so in March, April and May but lets do it in mid june for 3 weeks so we look competent!

How about ending food vouchers for 1.2m hungry school children as they go into the summer school holidays! 1.2m children in poverty after 10 years of tory austerity.

Back to the OP IF there is a 2nd wave will be in the autumn/winter

[MarginalGain]

OK Jasjas. Let me pull my final trump card here: Corbyn approves of Johnson's coronavirus response and views it as a vindication of his policies. If this doesn't convince you that Johnson is leading a conservative-in-name-only government, then I'm not sure anything will.

Utter stupidity not to have done so in March, April and May but lets do it in mid june for 3 weeks so we look competent!

I agree 100%.

Off I go.

[nibdedibble]

MarginalGain this is pointless.
And no it is not possible that the virus was weaker when it first arrived. That would be a feature of the virus that would be extremely notable and would already have been picked up and reported on.

People need to accept that sometimes they don't know enough about a subject - epidemiology ffs, it is fiendish! - and that asking the wrong questions then basically making shit up as potential answers is a waste of everyone's time. (Including mine, hiding thread now.)

[fataroundthemiddle]

Redolent,can I just say that the schools in Italy break up usually on around the 8th June for their 3 month summer holiday. That's why they haven't gone back to school

[Redolent]

@fataroundthemiddle

Redolent,can I just say that the schools in Italy break up usually on around the 8th June for their 3 month summer holiday. That's why they haven't gone back to school

Interesting. Thanks

[cologne4711]

Very limited, soon to be released anyway, helps with the numbers, shame didn't show the same concern to Care home residents

What would you propose happens to care and nursing home residents who are in care and nursing homes because they need care and/or nursing, and have probably given up their homes already to pay for their care or nursing home places. Dumped outside and left to fend for themselves (which is effectively what happens to prisoners on release)?

[MarshaBradyo]

It has seemed quiet re those countries. What is the mood /media there like, anyone who is there?