As there’s been no second wave in any other country why are people so insistent it’s going to happen here?

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Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening yet there seems to be no sign of a second wave. What makes us so different in the uk that a load of people are convinced it’s inevitable here to the extent that some have even started ‘preparing’ for it?

The daily cases yesterday was 1936 it's estimated that it could be 8000.

Merrymouse the 8,000 is potential due to asymptomatic spreaders. Not actuals. Other countries have asymptomatic spreaders which are also not reported. Those countries will have those people too.

And government advisors are still expressing their concern.

This seems to be how the virus operates.

We have no idea how the virus operates because we don't yet have the data.

Why do some people get so upset that this might not be quite as catastrophic as they think? Shouldn’t it be good news?

Why do some people get so upset that this might not be quite as catastrophic as they think?

I think a lot of people like to live in misery and also take joy inflicting it upon others.

My dad lives in Spain

Trust me. They are far behind us with regards to open things back up

They just want to be right.

‘Told you so’
‘It’s your fault’
‘You’ll be sorry!’

You can’t spout all that shit and then have the humility to say, ‘hey, I was wrong’ if things don’t turn out how you predicted.

Take no fucking pleasure in it. More than happy to be wrong. More than happy to say I was over cautious. Because that means people didn't get ill unnecessarily.
Weird that you think otherwise, frankly.

They are far behind us with regards to open things back up

I thought restaurants and stuff were open in Spain?

Hoggleludo my MIL, FIL, two SIL’s, nieces and nephews etc are in Spain. They all met at a restaurant yesterday for Sunday lunch. They’ve had gatherings in their houses of 10 people. SIL and BIL are back at work. FIL is back playing golf. MIL went to her book club on Saturday, is jack doing her charity work and has also resumed teaching English to unemployed adults today.

Why do some people get so upset that this might not be quite as catastrophic as they think?

Because it's like pressing the "OFF" button on what they see as their own private pandemic-disaster movie. "Oy! I was watching that, you know!"

@Kokeshi123 :)

There has never been a pandemic that hasn't had a second wave, why think this one will be different?

Why do some people get so upset that this might not be quite as catastrophic as they think? Shouldn’t it be good news?

I'm not in the "at risk" group and i don't know anyone who is either (maybe one?) so i don't get upset in the sense that may mean, However, i don't want more unnecessary suffering especially with those who need NHS treatment and aren't getting it or those in care homes.

There just isn't the evidence this is over and there won't be a 2nd wave, so a cautious approach is surely better? we can then unlock with confidence, a return to lockdown will be a disaster, both economically and with extra deaths.

@KilljoysDutch

There has never been a pandemic that hasn't had a second wave, why think this one will be different?

That doesn't actually mean anything does it? It might do the same it might not we have no idea because this is the first time we've dealt with it.

@Drivingdownthe101

It happened in 1918

Yes, with flu. It’s a different virus. And there are many other reasons why this pandemic is different to the flu virus or 1918.

1. They couldn’t even identify Spanish flu as a virus for quite a while as they didnt have strong enough microscopes.
2. Spanish flu hit a war ravaged population of young people who were malnourished and exhausted.
3. Hospitals were already full of war wounded.
4. hundreds of thousands of people had been displaced by the war and were migrating back to their home countries, taking coronavirus with them

I’m not saying we won’t have a second wave, I have no idea. But it really is incomparable to Spanish flu.

It is far worse than Flu. Its more infectious and far more deadly in ways we don't even understand yet.Potentially this will cause long term health impairment, as did the original SARS

elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

Yes exactly PeterWeg, it’s a different virus. So comparing it to the 1918 flu pandemic is fairly useless for all sorts of reasons.

@PeterWeg That's true. It's what I've been trying to say. I not only still have unpleasant symptoms after 3 months, but I appear to have developed allergies that I didn't have before that are making me sneeze. Including my cats, which I would hate to think might be permanent.

Also not comparable with 1918 because they never had a lockdown to lift in the first place.

They did have social distancing measures in some countries, including closures of schools etc:

www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

This is the kind of hindsight you can draw on when you have more than 4 months' worth of measures to evaluate, presented in approx. 36 rough graphs.

We don't know how CV-19 will behave over the summer and into next winter, therefore a cautionary approach is wise, we didn't do this in Feb/March and look where that took us?

Surely it’s too soon to see the second spike in those countries, thinking how long it takes to show symptoms etc

With regard to the local lockdown in Italy not working because of the exodus in advance of it even being announced....

The local lockdowns as in small hotspot towns (Codogno etc) absolutely worked, but lockdown in those towns was absolute. Nobody in. Nobody out.

Yes, people fled towards the south in anticipation of the govt announcement on 8/3.

And yes, those utterly selfish twats meant the south had to be put into lockdown for 8 long weeks. In some towns every single death (for there have been very few in most of the south) has been traced back to contact with a cunt on a train on 7/3.

But, there were, in total 835 people who left Lombardia that weekend and headed south. Fewer than two weekends earlier. Because two weekends earlier it was carnival long weekend.

So, whilst it's often quoted, not least by Italians as a contributory factor to lots of things, the reality is yes, a fair few of those 835 had Coronavirus and passed it on. But as total lockdown came less than 48 hours later they only killed their own family members not the general public who happened to come into contact with them.

I don't think any country, even the USA, has seen a second wave
Good point, and some states started opening up a few weeks ago.

The us cant be heading for a second wave as it's never completed it's first wave