UK set to be the pariahs of Europe thanks to our government's mishandling of the crisis

[effingterrified]

www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/may/29/britain-left-off-safe-list-of-countries-free-to-holiday-in-greece

Britain left off 'safe list' of countries free to holiday in Greece

"The UK was not included on a list of 29 countries released by Athens on Friday deemed to fit an “epidemiological profile” that makes travel from them relatively safe."

Greece decided to ban British travellers on safety grounds even though "the UK is one of Greece’s biggest markets. Last year close to 4 million Britons travelled to Greece, with most heading to its extensive archipelago, which has remained remarkably Covid-free."

How depressing that our government's utter failure to manage the disease, giving the UK the highest death rates in Europe, means that we have now become the pariahs of Europe.

@effing why do you keep insisting they have worst death rate when that isn't the case at all , your wrong accept it

"Otherwise, there's not much they reasonably could have done which would change outcomes. "

DdraigGoch - do you not think that bringing in lockdown earlier, as experts recommended, would have saved thousands of lives?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339497/Coronavirus-UK-deaths-limited-11-000-lockdown-started-sooner.html

Also don't think you find brutish do bring Greece more money especially in June , maybe school hols etc when all might change anyway
Per capita we aren't worst in Europe up there but not the worst

strugglingwithdeciding - Worldometer figures only report the 'official' UK figures which are notoriously inaccurate.

Figures based on excess deaths, which cannot be fudged, show a different picture.

Iceland, Ireland and Norway are also not on the list - and all three countries have handled the virus really well. Iceland and Norway in particular have had very few deaths. Do you think they are pariahs too? Do you think they should be ashamed and beating their brows?

I have no doubt the government has handled this crisis incredibly badly but it isn't that straightforward. We have millions flying into Heathrow and Gatwick, we have a large number of elderly people in our population. We have a lot of obesity and we are densely populated.

OP I don't mean to be rude but looking at your posts you sound very stressed and anxious about this. Do you think you would benefit from a few days away from reading about all of this and just focusing on nice things? There is nothing we can do now about how the government handled this back in January and February and it's not good to get too wound up about it in that it risks making you ill.

Also do you not think that Greece would of been worse hit had this of happened June /July as Oppposed to March when they generally are not open for tourism on a grand scale and travel to and from Greece would of been Minable
Op your the one who can't look at the bigger picture in this and quoting daily mail arguments lost as they repeat a different story every time

@effing excess deaths may be even due to lockdown though people not seeking treatment for heart attacks etc as these deaths are down , suicide until we have more facts and figures you can't decide on this alone
Age has to be taken into account all sorts really will take a while yet to know this and we are not hiding figures ons is clearly there to see
Shows your understanding is way off really

Op you can't see anyone else's point of view so it's pointless engaging with you as you aren't looking at other theories or waiting for more information . A few headlines from newspapers and I bet by July people will accept us we aren't exactly making it easy for people to travel here from next month either , any countries that have outbreaks etc may see measures against them and many people have already cancelled there holidays as they won't be holiday as normal

"OP I don't mean to be rude but looking at your posts you sound very stressed and anxious about this."

No shit, Sherlock. My username is effingterrified, FFS!

It doesn't take a detective to figure out that yes, I'm a teensy bit worried about the pandemic.

Call me strange, but yes, I find tens of thousands of deaths in the space of less than 3 months kinda worrying.

Thanks for your concern, TheAdventures but I'll decide for myself when I stop posting?

And I couldn't disagree more with your claim that "There is nothing we can do now about how the government handled this" - while we certainly can't change the past, it is all of our responsibilities to ensure that the future is handled better than the past.

If you are so not bothered by it all, TheAdventuresof, then not sure why you are bothering to comment on the thread at all. It's not obligatory.

Its depressing that everyone is just resigned to the fact that the government has bungled this and will continue to do so!

Should we not want better for our own country? They've made a pig's ear of it!

strugglingwithdeciding - "you can't see anyone else's point of view so it's pointless engaging with you".

So why have you just posted about 10 posts on this thread?

Like I said, it's not obligatory.

Try reading the obvious autocorrect ‘Minable’ as ‘minimal’ and you should be able to work it out, it’s really not that hard!

Mumoblue - well said.

This idea that because the Government screwed up in Feb and March we should therefore just turn a blind eye to them screwing up again in May, June, July...

It's not logical.

Why are you polite to those that don't question your opinions but downright rude to those who disagree?

The UK trades around the world more than any EU member state and therefore has more people travelling

Do we? more than Germany? But in an international pandemic, no one should be travelling anywhere until the disease is under control.
We still don't have any restrictions on who or where travellers have come from.
PHE say the outbreaks of CV we have got, have not originated from China but from Europe.

We aren't learning, Johnson is just trying to be popular.

@effingterrified

Waxonwaxoff0 - and all your posts are about how great the Government is doing and sunny uplands etc.

I'm sure you'd like to sensor my posts.

If you don't like the threads I start or posts I write, you are not obliged to read them or comment, you know?

Sensor?

Anyway effingterrified, get a fucking hobby for goodness sake.

Why are you polite to those that don't question your opinions but downright rude to those who disagree?

Thats because we are not being Boris apologists!

The UK has a higher death rate than Hollabd, Sweden etc yet the lockdown was much better enforced here...

You cannot blame the government for the UK’s population love of junk food and obesity levels

On the whole, people here are just very very unhealthy, bad diets, lots of alcohol, very little exercise

That takes its toll.

I think Sweden is being excluded from norway-Denmark bubble which is a big deal as they had a lot of traffic over the border. Baltic states have a bubble too, I think Aus-NZ will have one.

It’s v sensible - being careful about borders. I think these places are now talking about relaxing border restrictions. UK have only just implemented them... but better late than never. Hopefully we will all travel a bit less and improve the global warming situation.

But I would argue we should learn from this and implement stricter travel restrictions within UK to prevent places with low cases being swamped. If we isolated them, they might be able to get more normality and start their local economy sooner, while the rest of the country waits and increases the chance of successful exit from lockdown.

But I would argue we should learn from this and implement stricter travel restrictions within UK to prevent places with low cases being swamped. If we isolated them, they might be able to get more normality and start their local economy sooner, while the rest of the country waits and increases the chance of successful exit from lockdown

Good plan.

No its not, because its completely unenforceable, at the height of lockdown, Cummings drove around the country as he pleased and how many times did he get stopped???

No one needs to carry ID and we don't have the Police to check every road going in or out of an area, let alone decide what these areas would be.

we are just dirty, fat, heavy breathing, party animals
(or is that just me?)

I don’t understand why British people are so obsessed with Europe.

ermm... because we're a European country?

It's in the Guardian. What else do you expect 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣