UK's daily death rate is now the highest in the world

[effingterrified]

"The UK now has the highest rate of confirmed deaths from Covid-19 worldwide, averaging close to 5 in every million people per day.

Figures from the last seven days show that the average death rate in the UK is now more than that of France and Italy combined."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-rate-world-map-tracked-a9532286.html

Where are people getting their figures from? We are 5th in the world for deaths per million and 20th for cases per million. It's still awful but seems like people are trying to make it worse than it is. A second wave is looking more and more unlikely say the experts (note I didn't say it was impossible but they're not seeing the signs that it's gonna happen)

Read the OP - it has the link to the article the facts are from.

And where are your figures from Looneytune, having just accused others of not naming their sources??

I'd love to see your crystal ball too, for your prediction that a second wave is unlikely.

Wow aggressive? I didn't accuse anyone of not naming their sources I just asked where the figures were from. Worldometers it was for me

Also look at the WHO for their current comments on the situation and they're realising it's not necessarily coming

Link re: deaths per million

www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

If the U.K. is one of the harder hit this time round, surely it follows that if there is a second wave, it won’t be as bad here?

This means nothing. There are many countries out there which have a poorer testing regime and people living on top of each other in very densely populated areas. They are also behind us in terms of when the virus started to circulate in the community. It is possible that some countries will have a worse death rate, but we will never know due to a lack of testing or how they collect the data. Covid could be a primary or secondary cause of death (the patient was already on EOL care for other reasons) too, but people will still count the death in their numbers. I don't think the data out there is of particularly high quality, but it is the only data we have. I think there should be more unity in how it is collected and recorded if there is a global pandemic in the future.

I'm not defending the government. I think they have been disorganised and lacking in leadership. They should have stopped flights and quarantined those being repatriated back early on, and shielded the vulnerable at the first signs of the illness in January. Things could have looked far different then.

@MummyPop00 quite a difference from the worldometer one but I think the one you link to doesn't include every country by the look of it. The figures are the same tho and it's still horrific either way

I think the point is that Worldometers death/million indeed shows UK is amongst the very worst in the world.

Bearing in mind that NI, Scotland and Wales are faring ok, the actual England death rate/million must be bad.

Also San Marino and Andorra (two countries quoted by pps) are basically Italy and Spain for these purposes, so you can discount them. So there are just 2 countries worldwide ahead of UK ()and England is higher than UK), plus we are already catching up with Spain.

If all countries, especially Asian ones who normally have a lot of Wuhan and China mainland visitors, had similar death/million figures it would be reasonable to say stat differences on Worldometers are due to reporting differences. But just take HK, Taiwan, Japan and compare it with England and you can see clearly it is not that. HK, Taipei and Tokyo very densely populated, so it is not that either.

think Cheltenham/Anfield/Stereophonics etc gave Covid a flying start in England.
I'd say the 18 million international arrivals who travelled through our airports including from badly hit Covid areas played an even bigger role.

The 18 million is for the first three months of the year. Included daily direct flights from Wuhan. Weeks after the situation there was known.

It continues today. No checks and no quarantine. All heeding off on busy public transport. Which they'll do even after the 8 June. They'll only self isolate after travelling to their UK destination.

I hope there won't be a second wave but with this going on it doesn't bode well unless the virus really does die out of its own accord.

What @toffee said. If it goes, I think it will be cos it really does die of its own accord or warmer weather, and certainly not due - in fact in spite of - the horrific manhandling of it in this country. Actually, not just the handling, but the state the place was in generally as a country beforehand. It is so sad to see. When you think of UK in 2012 Olympics and how well it dealt with 2008 financial crisis and was booming. Seems like eons away now ….

I am not sure about the warm weather making the virus less dangerous as it is hitting very hot places at the moment with a vengeance. I am hoping that it will hopefully mutate to something less dangerous of its own accord.

"If the U.K. is one of the harder hit this time round, surely it follows that if there is a second wave, it won’t be as bad here?"

No, it does not follow at all.

Given only 17% of Londoners have had it and 5% nationwide, there is no reason to assume we have built up any kind of meaningful 'herd immunity' to the disease.

No reason why the UK should not have it far worse than other countries with proper testing and tracing in place and where you don't have to be blue around the lips to be allowed near a hospital.

More than another 400 cases just today.

By comparison, Thailand, which has a larger population than the UK and was nearer the original outbreak has had only 57 cases IN TOTAL.

We have had about 1,000 TIMES AS MANY. :(

Some saying our capital has a higher population... you need to consider that it is spread out very widely. However this is not so true in many European cities like Barcelona and Naples where there are more People per Sq km.

In Britain especially england we are very spread out On a more even basis but some countries have very dense cities then sparsely populated countrysides.

It’s nonsensical to compare this using capital cities.

And while international arrivals haven’t helped its far from being the reason we are where we are. We have been one of the most infected nations from some time now. Since mid April you’ve been far more likely to catch it from a local than someone who travelled abroad.

On john Hopkins the mortality (per 100k population) is 3rd after spain and Belgium?

coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

It's astounding how little outcry there has been about the death rates here. I'm sure it will come eventually, when we are looking back.

Government have done a good job with fudging the death rates that are announced but excess death rates will provide a good comparison, certainly to similar European countries.

As for us not having overflowing hospital corridors like Italy and Spain, I think that contributed to our death rate. They tried to save more people. The extremely strict triaging here almost certainly meant that people who may have survived with treatment didn't get it in time, especially as research suggests that early oxygen treatment can be very effective - one of the reasons why Germany may have a much lower death rate. Another thing that will probably come out in the inevitable public inquiry that will one day take place.

We locked down too little, too late - the economy has been damaged probably more than if we had done an earlier, shorter, tighter lockdown and many lives would have been saved. There isn't much that can be done about it now, other than learn lessons if a future lockdown is needed, but I'm sure looking back in years to come our government's response will be seen as a total failure.

Well put!

True but our deaths per million are still the second highest in the world

No they aren't? We're 5th behind San Marino, Belgium, Andorra and Spain. And we've got quite a long way to go to catch Spain at number 4.

NO! The poster was referring to deaths per MILLION!

SAN Marino and Andorra do not have populations of 1 million and are not included in the per MILLION statistics the poster refers to.

UK is 3rd behind Belgium and Spain but pretty much equal with Spain’s. In terms of deaths per million

Yes Thailand has been on 57 deaths for a while now, with a similar population to us.
The culture of mask wearing seems to have been a factor in helping minimise spread.

It is so frustrating hearing on the Briefing “can’t we lessen the 2 metre distance?” - “No, we can’t cos droplets spread 2 metres by talking, singing and coughing” BUT BARELY A MENTION OF MASKS to ... um ... maybe limit all the droplet spreading ?

Lavender Hill clothing make nice washable face masks, not medical grade, but good quality cotton, and donate an equal number to their chosen charity which is a refuge in Battersea for women and children fleeing abusive situations. A pack of three is £20, plus postage. No, I don't work for them. Just vouching for the quality and comfort.

Thanks !

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It is so frustrating hearing on the Briefing “can’t we lessen the 2 metre distance?” - “No, we can’t cos droplets spread 2 metres by talking, singing and coughing” BUT BARELY A MENTION OF MASKS to ... um ... maybe limit all the droplet spreading ?

Well said. Literally every country is ahead of us on this, even the US.

Yes this.
We need to normalise mask wearing. I am baffled as to why we aren’t, when it is so simple, and it helps cut transmission.