UK's daily death rate is now the highest in the world

[effingterrified]

"The UK now has the highest rate of confirmed deaths from Covid-19 worldwide, averaging close to 5 in every million people per day.

Figures from the last seven days show that the average death rate in the UK is now more than that of France and Italy combined."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-rate-world-map-tracked-a9532286.html

Oh that's ok then. We're 'only' second in the world per million.

@ToffeeYoghurt, my comment was referring to the difference in population in France.

poor old Boris and his failed Churchill act.

Oh go away. There are different ways of counting, so that’s not all coming from the same starting point, some countries have blatantly lied about their figures, whatdates are being used as we are all at different stages?

Figures can be manipulated to say anything you want

Poor elderly people who have died as a result of incompetence.

We have
High population density
High BAME population
High level of obesity
A state funded health service

I think that explains it.

Obesity is a serious risk factor and we have a fat and unfit population. These figures are meaningless taken in isolation like this.

Gosh it makes me laugh when people say about the blatant lies from other countries, when the government daily briefing leaves out at least 10,000 deaths.

The lockdown in Britain came so late and was so light compared to what happened here
What, you mean like copying forms out in handwriting and filling them in yourself if you didn't have a printer? Yeah that's so heavy.

Humphriescushion

There’s also been an overestimate in the death rate to some degree where people have died with COVID not of it.

The countries aren't consistent in how they report the deaths. Population density also has a part to play. You'll never get a true comparison.

Oh go away. There are different ways of counting,

Of course you are right, our Government is amazing at counting things differently like counting glove by glove when claiming they have increased PPE stocks and claiming the have done twice as more tests as they have as they counted the individual 2 tests they do per person, rather than the number of people tested.

The magic of statistics...

Yup, but the death cert figure is the accurate one. Some other countries use the wider measure of suspected covid not just tests so people saying that other countries are undercounting is not always true. Also the excess deaths in england is way, way above other countries and these are not disputed.

Obesity is a serious risk factor and we have a fat and unfit population.
Germany has nearly as many obese as us.
The difference is they have an excellent well funded healthcare system.

In our case, many of our obese are that way because of the NHS. People (pre pandemic) suffering worsening mobility issues whilst waiting months and months for operations, people told their very real preexisting conditions were anxiety or 'womens hormones'. Posters have written before about their experiences of having their symptoms of, for example, thyroid conditions (which often cause weight gain) being dismissed.

Another thread on this - yawn.

It's not good but maybe you should see comments on actual statistical comparison and monitor what's happening in Brazil and report back in 4 week.

Yes, our death rate is awful but I understand we are reporting differently. Eg we report deaths in care homes and other countries dont, we are reporting deaths of everyone who has covid not just the people who died OF it. Eg friends dad was in a hospice receiving end of life care for brain cancer, hadn't been conscious for several days. Routine testing found him positive for covid after he died. His death is one of the figures. He died of cancer, not covid.

a high death toll and a trashed economy.

Otherwise known as a dry run for Brexit

@ how the 36,000 fig is for those tested positive. Not from with covid on death certs. The government knows this is an underestimate.

Total number of cases/1M population - we're at No. 19.

However, Total number of deaths/1M population, we're at No. 5

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This does suggest that there's something about the pre-existing health of our population which determines severity of the disease.

Instead of yawning, we should act now to mitigate the damage.

The more threads the merrier. It's the only way anything will improve. Ignoring it, shrugging shoulders and accepting a disgraceful level of negligence and very serious incompetence is a sure fire way of keeping things bad.

There are numerous locally reported stories of families who are angry because there relative died of for example a heart attack and yet it says COVID on the death certificate as there loved one tested positive

It's a bit weird that two trials - one of the potential vaccine, and and one of a new treatment for the disease - are currently struggling to recruit enough participants for their trials, as there aren't enough cases in the community. This is what the professor leading on the vaccine said at the weekend "It's a race against the virus disappearing, and against time. We said earlier in the year that there was an 80% chance of developing an effective vaccine by September.
"But at the moment, there's a 50% chance that we get no result at all. We're in the bizarre position of wanting COVID to stay, at least for a little while."

Yes, it scares me that the plan is to just bounce around at at highish rate - push the curve down but not supress it. A scientist felt that this seemed to be the only explaination for the government policy. ( cant remember who though!)

@ToffeeYoghurt

Why are people absolutely gagging for this to be worse than it is at every stage? Why indeed. You'd think by now people would want the UK government to implement at least some of the simple measures other countries have taken that mitigate the damage. Yet here we still are with many still desperate to pretend all is ok, the deadly very infectious virus will magically go away if we stamp our feet and demand A Return To Normality Now.

Sadly I suspect some of this stems from younger white middle class people who live outside large cities thinking it won't affect them so who cares. They've seen the reports that it's devastating care homes, that deprived urban areas are hardest hit, that it's affecting BAME communities more than others, and they don't care and think that means they won't be impacted in any way.

Allll of this. 100% @ToffeeYoghurt

Covid causes heart attacks (and strokes) in some patients.

Does not explain the excess deaths @ how.
It is exeptionally high in England in particular. It is startling.