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UK's daily death rate is now the highest in the world

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effingterrified · 26/05/2020 18:04

"The UK now has the highest rate of confirmed deaths from Covid-19 worldwide, averaging close to 5 in every million people per day.

Figures from the last seven days show that the average death rate in the UK is now more than that of France and Italy combined."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-rate-world-map-tracked-a9532286.html

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Wifeofbikerviking · 26/05/2020 20:26

They are further ahead on the curve than we are. So they should have a lower rate.

We are doing well to recover to the rate we are. We had 5 times this many dying daily a few weeks ago

Institutkarite · 26/05/2020 20:30

ODFOD

Flaxmeadow · 26/05/2020 20:31

The lockdown in Britain came so late...

No it did not and I really wish people would stop saying this.

We locked down at about the same rate of infection spread as most other countries in Europe did and if you go by the number of deaths, we actually locked down earlier than Italy.

UK lockdown 335 deaths
Italy lockdown 463 deaths

We also locked down, by date, less than a week after France

SirVixofVixHall · 26/05/2020 20:34

It does seem that getting people into hospital earlier lowers the chance of them dying.
I think our rates are a mixture of the Government not locking down soon enough, our lack of mask wearing, and the behaviour of people here . (My next door neighbours for instance, have had family visit regularly through lockdown. )
If we had made simple mask wearing compulsory in all public places from very early on , we could have saved huge numbers of lives.

FurForksSake · 26/05/2020 20:39

The Weston General didn't suddenly have a tonne of patients turn up with covid symptoms. Testing found that lots of their inpatients (64) had it and a large percentage of staff. They are now able to test quickly and a good amount of people so clusters are being found and dealt with. This is a good thing.

A spike from VE day ot BH would have shown in the data by now as anyone with symptoms can get tested, we aren't just waiting for people to be ill enough to require testing to test and find those cases. Some may show up, but we are 18 days beyond VE day so either they have caused a spike but a tiny one or not really at all.

Ponoka7 · 26/05/2020 20:40

@MintyMabel, we were doing that and also even if someone was on a ventilator and improving, if someone came in with a better chance, then they would be given the ventilator and the other person had to take their chance on just oxygen. We weren't taking people to hospital because they were overwhelmed, which resulted in deaths and we didn't test people because we didn't have capacity. Laws were changed around the storage and final arrangements of bodies, so we could dispose of them quicker and didn't have to meet religious requirements.

BackInTime · 26/05/2020 20:44

The numbers of new cases is seems to be rising, which is very alarming.

Aridane · 26/05/2020 20:47

We have
High population density
High BAME population
High level of obesity
A state funded health service

I think that explains it.

Ahem - I think a risible government with staggering incompetence explains it better

effingterrified · 26/05/2020 20:54

Population density certainly does not explain it.

UK population density = 259 people per square kilometre
South Korea population density = 503 people per square kilometre
Hong Kong population density = 6,659 people per square kilometre

You don't need me to tell you that South Korea and Hong Kong have had hardly any deaths, despite being very close to the source of the outbreak in China.

The UK, meanwhile, is top of the league for deaths. Not a league anyone would want to be top of.

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effingterrified · 26/05/2020 20:57

Obesity rates are higher in New Zealand, Australia, Canada, than in the UK, all of which are doing much better than the UK.

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XingMing · 26/05/2020 21:03

Actually, I think you'll find the US is higher, and that Brazil is racing to catch up. You may agree with me that it could have been better handled, and that we were too late to lockdown, but most of the western world's governments have been learning on the job.

thefrenchpronounceitcoveed · 26/05/2020 21:04

Why are people absolutely gagging for this to be worse than it is at every stage? it is more about learning lessons about how our elected govmt has behaved, how different sections of our society has behaved and to start thinking about what colossal changes could be made to vastly improve everything going forward

We have...A state funded health service i think you mean a totally mismanaged health service

thefrenchpronounceitcoveed · 26/05/2020 21:07

over 4000 new cases today in the UK

OverTheRainbowLiesOz · 26/05/2020 21:12

Weston beach (& other beaches) are heaving with large groups of tourists sitting together. This has only happened in the last two weeks.

OverTheRainbowLiesOz · 26/05/2020 21:13

It really ramped up when they 'allowed' people to travel.

XingMing · 26/05/2020 21:16

ToffeeYoghurt
Germany has nearly as many obese as us.
The difference is they have an excellent well funded healthcare system.

It's not solely state funded and free at delivery; everyone who works contributes to paying towards their care from their earnings or pension above a minimum floor. And, importantly, health care is split between the public sector, for emergency care, and routine care which is delivered by a mix of for and not-for-profit organisations.

HairyFloppins · 26/05/2020 21:17

2004 new cases today. There is a note on Twitter explaining the extra numbers.

KenDodd · 26/05/2020 21:29

Has anyone said what a great job Boris is doing yet or how (using their powers to predict the future) it would have been worse with Corbyn?

womaninatightspot · 26/05/2020 21:31

The UK count care home deaths. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the the only other comparative country doing that in terms of population is France. Italy and Spain haven't so the actual count per millions may be higher than reported.

DippyAvocado · 26/05/2020 21:32

Even if the UK turns out not to have the highest rate, I hope some people on here aren’t wilfully denying that the UK will be amongst the worse rates and it’s no mystery why, poor testing, lock down too late, lack of sufficient PPE.

This. It's astounding how little outcry there has been about the death rates here. I'm sure it will come eventually, when we are looking back.

Government have done a good job with fudging the death rates that are announced but excess death rates will provide a good comparison, certainly to similar European countries.

As for us not having overflowing hospital corridors like Italy and Spain, I think that contributed to our death rate. They tried to save more people. The extremely strict triaging here almost certainly meant that people who may have survived with treatment didn't get it in time, especially as research suggests that early oxygen treatment can be very effective - one of the reasons why Germany may have a much lower death rate. Another thing that will probably come out in the inevitable public inquiry that will one day take place.

We locked down too little, too late - the economy has been damaged probably more than if we had done an earlier, shorter, tighter lockdown and many lives would have been saved. There isn't much that can be done about it now, other than learn lessons if a future lockdown is needed, but I'm sure looking back in years to come our government's response will be seen as a total failure.

DippyAvocado · 26/05/2020 21:35

Most European countries report care home deaths. France/Belgium were doing it much earlier than us. Belgium also reported all deaths as Covid-related even if they were only suspected.

Excess death rates will be the most reliable comparison.

Rosebel · 26/05/2020 21:38

I saw a post on fb from a nurse and from a couple of others saying a lot of deaths are being reported as Covid related even if they aren't.
Now I have absolutely no proof of that or any idea why the hospital chiefs think this is a good idea but it's something to consider. Perhaps the death rate isn't as high as it seems.
Having said that it's still too high.

LastTrainEast · 26/05/2020 21:41

slipperywhensparticus "How do you "count differently?" There is no magical way to know how many deaths were from the virus and each country counted it their own way.

You can count actual deaths where the virus was the proven cause and our rate would suddenly look much better. We could boast we did the best job of anyone.

You can work out how many deaths we had above average for the time of year which gives a much higher higher figure but is obviously inaccurate in some cases.

What about someone who was infected by died of some other reason. Do you count that?

If they were sick but the virus finished them off perhaps you should, but suppose they had the virus mildly and got hit by a bus? Should that count?

Nannewnannew · 26/05/2020 21:42

@howdidwegetheremary, yes this exactly.
England has 430 people per sq km
Germany has 240
Italy has 205
France has 122
Spain has 91
We are just so overcrowded which obviously must influence the spread of the virus.

oldbagface · 26/05/2020 21:43

@ToffeeYoghurt spot on