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DomCum in the garden with the journalists...

358 replies

DonLewis · 25/05/2020 17:01

Do we think the PM Is going to allow the rest of us to hang out in our gardens now?

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rhubarbfizzy · 27/05/2020 11:45

horrific England covid deathrate + Durham trip scandal (and defending it)

mahoosive and lasting dive in Conservative votability.

Total, total misread of the nation. Half the nation was already sceptical but now for the others it is plain in black and white, even though it probably merely exposed the nature of the beast(s). The Durham trip was for most of us like being hit on a wound, we are all so raw from the covid catastrophe and we won't forget.

I think Boris and Dominic Cummings are going to be forever associated in our minds now - and in history books - as those responsible for this disaster. Mr Cummings even used the word "disaster" in the rose garden.

The duo are totally un-votable now.

I think it will sink in after the crisis passes how grotesque the number of England deaths and care home deaths are, and the numbers who died in their own homes. People will write about their experiences, many, many horrific experiences with or without the virus.

Sweetiepye · 27/05/2020 14:08

I think that DomCum should be suspended, pending investigation. The police have opened an investigation into whether he should be charged, so the outcome of the investigation will decide whether he has acted illegally or not. If found to be guilty he should be sacked and if not he should be allowed to return to his job.

This would be the fair way to decide his future as advisor to the PM.

ITonyah · 27/05/2020 14:33

Sweetiepye I agree.

FliesandPies · 27/05/2020 15:11

If found to be guilty he should be sacked and if not he should be allowed to return to his job

The problem with that is people aren't just upset about breaking the law and Cummings already knows that the legislation is so full of holes no prosecution would stick. That doesn't change how people feel, their anger at the betrayal of trust and the arrogance.

Portillista · 27/05/2020 15:20

The duo are totally un-votable now

Unfortunately, I think this is true.

EstoPerpetua · 27/05/2020 15:23

For BJ, he just wanted to see if he could get the top job but without having to do any of the hard work that goes along with it

Yep. He was imagining he was still in the school Debating Society (which is brilliant, btw, but possibly better kept at school).

FliesandPies · 27/05/2020 15:25

The duo are totally un-votable now

I pray this is true. They never should have been elected in the first place - it was a disaster waiting to happen and it's not as if there weren't enough warning signs and people urging voters not to do it.

Even without this crisis they would have crashed and burned for the very reasons on display - arrogance, stupidity, dishonesty. Add in coronavirus and we've all paid a terrible price for people's suspension of common-sense in lending them their vote last December.

Portillista · 27/05/2020 15:27

The unfortunate thing is that it's easy to think that MN is representative of the general public. However, it is reality just another tiny echo chamber.

Lweji · 27/05/2020 15:44

What's with this government?
DomCum and BJ?

Carry on...

Esspee · 27/05/2020 15:54

I wrote to my MP and received a superb reply. It summarised exactly how I, and everyone I know, feels about the whole sorry business.
Tonight I’m going to send an email to every conservative M.P. They need to know we, the ordinary people, are not going to move on while that liar of a man runs this country. Boris has made us the laughing stock of the world as the puppet who does not dare to sack his master.

OP sorry your thread got derailed. I have an even nicer garden than no.10. You are welcome to visit anytime.

FliesandPies · 27/05/2020 16:01

The unfortunate thing is that it's easy to think that MN is representative of the general public. However, it is reality just another tiny echo chamber.

People might like to comfort themselves with that thought but you've only got to look at any other social media site, listen to any phone-in (with the 'general public'), look at press commentary (including traditional pro-Tory press) and they are almost all saying exactly the same as here - Johnson and Barney Castle are a total disgrace

hamstersarse · 27/05/2020 16:09

This is a transcript of what he said about the eyesight thing:

"My wife was very worried, particularly given my eyesight seemed to have been affected by the disease. She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been. We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely. We drove for roughly half an hour and ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle town. We did not visit the castle. We did not walk around the town. We parked by a river. My wife and I discussed the situation. We agreed that I could drive safely, we should turn around, go home. I felt a bit sick. We walked about 10 to 15 metres from the car to the river bank nearby. We sat there for about 15 minutes. We had no interactions with anybody. I felt better. We returned the car. An elderly gentleman walking nearby appeared to recognise me. My wife wished him Happy Easter from a distance, but we had no other interaction."

I am surprised at the total outrage about this eye sight thing. When I heard him say it, AND reading the transcript, I think he was saying, I had been ill and wasn't sure I was up for the long drive to London. I thought I knew what he meant - it is monotonous and difficult to drive on a motorway when you aren't feeling very well. He would be driving for 4+ hours back to London so did need to see how he felt, and I think things like passing out etc. were also important.

I am all up for people having to take the hit when deserved but what I don't like is when people take things that are clearly ambiguous or open to interpretation and deliberately manipulating them for their own agenda. It is very disingenuous to take what he said and say that he "went for a drive to check his eyesight because he couldn't see" - from what he said, he equally could have meant that he went for a drive to see if he had the energy to do a long drive.

This type of disingenuity, the very thing that he is being accused of, doesn't do anyone who wants to bring him down any favours IMO. If you want to bring him down, fine, but do it on something that is actually substantive, not twisted and political, otherwise where is your integrity in all of this?

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:10

Bbc1 now. Shocking .

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:14

BJ has to go, let alone DC. He just doesn’t get it. He will never get my vote . I won’t forget .

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:22

@hamstersarse you’ve missed the bit about his eyes not being right and him wanting to test them.

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:25

Yvette Cooper deserves a medal!!!Star

Blueberryham · 27/05/2020 16:26

Yvette Cooper 👏

Blueberryham · 27/05/2020 16:27

He never answered did he 😮

Potentialmadcatlady · 27/05/2020 16:28

He never does....

hamstersarse · 27/05/2020 16:28

"She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been."

"How ill I had been" is the part that is relevant. It wasn't just an eyesight thing as people are trying to portray (or at the very least this is open to interpretation)

Bring him down if you like, but maintain your own integrity when you do that.

And perhaps examine why you hate him - what do you actually know about him other than what the press report?

And do the press have any agenda?

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:32

@hamster she was worried as his eyesight had been affected. Wake up !

lilgreen · 27/05/2020 16:34

I hate being treated like an idiot by an idiot in charge who is still trying to silence the public when he says he understands public anger but refuses to act on that. If he truly understands he will sack him.

dustyparadeground · 27/05/2020 17:26

@hamstersarse why not start driving to London and then turn around if you feel you can't complete the journey?

Wingedharpy · 27/05/2020 17:26

It makes no sense though hamster does it?

If he'd been very ill, if his eyes are playing up WHY would he even consider being the designated driver, given that his wife can drive?

Bloody hell, if you are going to concoct a story around something, at least make it believable.🙄

Wingedharpy · 27/05/2020 17:30

Of course the press have an agenda but, he didn't help himself when he inferred it was their fault he'd run off to Durham.

For an allegedly smart man, he sure don't act smart!