As predicted the media tide has turned!

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After a campaign of fear when they wanted us to stay in, they now want us back o work and school so sad I predicted, the good news stories and it’s safe stories are becoming prevalent. I was told ‘they don’t print good news stories’. There are many ways to brainwash convince the public get to do what you want
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"Momentum echo chamber" 😂

Dimwit Corbyn was hammered on Mumsnet
MN is very much on the left, but few Mumsnetters support stupid

“ The alliance of anti-vaxxers, neo-Nazi rabble-rousers and esoteric hippies “

^ ... crazy people everywhere I guess.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/23/europes-covid-predicament-how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-the-anti-vaxxers

I think the idea that anyone needs paid to argue black is white and the sea is the sky on an Internet forum is ludicrous.

I think it’s also crediting the MSM with far more sophistication than it deserves.

I disagree Bigchocfrenzy, Momentum posted a lot over the GE. Even now I see ridiculous posts saying things like "Tory voters shouldn't need to be allowed to use the NHS". With no thought at all to the idea that a minority of NHS workers vote Labour and that Tory voter taxes pay towards the NHS and if they weren't allowed to use it then they can't be expected to fund it.

In my state, we had dozens of new cases and several hospitalisations from just one church

• which has since reverted to online services

So there is still a potential problem with some indoor events restarting,

Deaths în Germany have been in double digits for several days though and cases in 3 figures

I don't know if any country that significantly relaxed lockdown with the number of cases and deaths the UK still has

... but after Cummings, the UK could be an interesting practical experiment on that

The idea that there are no Tory voting NHS employees (gasp even doctors & nurses) is funny though!

But what I find interesting about the German collaboration is how did such an unlikely bunch get together. I don't understand the anti-vaxers at all, I have tried and I have failled. Conspiracy nuts I enjoy and the 5G and Bill Gates conspiracy have been the only amusing news I have read during the crisis. But how does that work with the AFD and football hooligans?
I appreciate that some people are anti-lockdown and I can understand why. But for someone to say "I am anti-lockdown and if a vaccine becomes available I'm not taking it" just doesn't make sense to me.

cakeisalwaystheanswer That's not particularly Momentum ideology.
Supporters - and chiefs - of the 2 main parties have historically hated and viciously insulted each other
Hardly new:

Look at the 1945 General Election, where Churchill in his infamous June broadcast claimed that Labour "would have to fall back on some form of a Gestapo" to impose socialism on Britain.

Then in 1948, Bevan - who established the NHS - described Conservatives as "lower than vermin".

That's many decades before Momentum

“ The alliance of anti-vaxxers, neo-Nazi rabble-rousers and esoteric hippies “

Don't forget Piers Corbyn.

Why weren't there any threads on mumsnet about his arrest?

It's a conspiracy, I tell you.

Rent-a-mobs collect literally anyone who'll riot against "the establishment"

The anti-vaccine lot in Germany goes back to the 1930s when there were widespread claims by Nazis that vaccinations were a conspiracy by rich Jews to weaken Germany

Hence their fury that any German should be vaccinated

There are a lot of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about the Coronavirus crisis, including that Bill Gates is their puppet

So all that fits in well with the large pro-Nazi wing in the AfD

afaik, Piers Corbyn believes Coronavirus is a hoax and that the deaths have been caused by 5G
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*Don’t be daft, there are no ‘paid posters’8

Well, we don't know that, to be fair. There have been times when it looks very like it, notably around elections.

I'm not sure where this is going my point was that these are rather extreme views but regularly aired and praised on MN by irrational people who assume that everyone votes like them.
I personally think that the tone of the Labour party will change under Stamer. He has to get back the middle voters and he's not going to do that by hurling mud at those he needs to woo. The UK needs an effective opposition but it is the govt who need to be held to account and criticised,people should not be demonised for who they voted for.

But the vaccine is supposed to contain a microchip to monitor you, they weren't invented in the 1930s so it isn't rational to blame the Jews. I still don't get it.

It's never been rational to blame the Jews, but the poor buggers have often been demonised for pandemics and other disasters over the centuries

@JudyCoolibar

They don't need to be paid. As I said, fanatics will do it for free. Momentum have activist training - someone on facebook let slip that he's done it. They have closed facebook pages or WhatsApp groups to put the call out then they all post on the same forum. I've seen it happen elsewhere.

It's just a paranoid consipracy theory that the far right in Germany have kept since the 1930s

• the technology may change, but the sheer hate behind anti-Semitism never does

I think I have to accept that I may never understand the anti-vaccers and on that note go to bed.

Tories believe in Momentum bots; Labour believe in Tory bots

I'm sure on an influential site like MN - must be influential as politicians keep wooing it -
there are some people from both HQs who post,
but also a far greater number of fervent supporters from both parties who post without payment

and of course those paid to "casually" mention certain commercial products

I believe in bots working out of St Petersburg internet silos.

Who do you think started the penis beaker thing? Broke the internet for DAYS.

I don't have time to be paid for posting, I'm too busy changing the batteries in the birds while you are all locked down

Propaganda has always been a part of the political landscape. Having an educated population means that people are more likely to question. What we need in the UK as a first step is an intelligent, competent, effective, informed, humane opposition.

@CalmYoBadSelf - do you qualify as a keyworker?

I still find it kind of sad that Europe has had big anti-lockdown demonstrations with all kinds of oddballs, the states even bigger and all we could manage is Jeremy Corbyn's even weirder brother and a few hangers on. I can remember when the British were viewed as eccentric, this country has become very dull.

@cakeisalwaystheanswer If we are talking about the virus, people dying, then the key thing is to get rid of it. If you are talking about clothing and day to day habits, eccentric is ok.

You are exactly right @itwasntbluedolphin. We have never really been eccentric, it was just clothes and P.G. Wodehouse type stuff.