70 cases in French schools since reopening

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What do you mean by no, Ov9?

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We can't now choose the government. We can insist they behave competently now because they have the resources to do so. If they think the public will shrug it's shoulders about high death tolls and refrain from demanding why they didn't follow the example of other countries who have instigated competent test and trace systems (once the transmission rate is low enough) then I absolutely suspect they won't bother. So while I wouldn't choose to rely on the government, I do think they could be forced by public pressure to prioritize healthcare.

Nobody knows what the R number is
because there has been sod all testing in the UK

On Friday the govt. said it was 0.7 to 1.0, which if correct would be similar to Germany (at higher existing numbers of cases in the UK, obviously, but promising).
But I guess that's not a reliable number as so few people are being tested still?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

No rise in incidence since return to school across Europe inc France, though caution is obviously still important.

Crossposted, but yes, I see it's the testing you're questioning.
Though the R number seems really unreliable/complicated in Germany, too. They've made it into a weekly mean or something as a result.

In Bristol 200 people are back in quarantine, teachers, children and key workers after 2 teachers tested covid positive...

We have a vaccine for measles and mumps and yet we have hundreds or thousands in the case of mumps every year! Last year there was 810 cases of measles and 5558 cases of mumps. People don't trust the vaccine (which I think is stupid). This will happen with covid19. The amount of posters I have seen on here that say they won't have a vaccine as it's been too rushed is crazy.

So if you won't send them to school until there is a vaccine but then you will refuse the vaccine because it is too rushed what do you expect to happen?

Cases will pop up like in France. This will happen for years. We cannot stay isolated for the next 2/3/4...... years.

Schools reopening has not triggered rise in Covid-19 cases, EU ministers told

But I guess that's not a reliable number as so few people are being tested still?

We’re testing a lot now, though we should have been doing so sooner.

They have just said that anyone over five years old who has symptoms can apply for a test. Whether they will be available and the result quick enough, I don't know, but that is now the policy.

Posters saying we need to all get the virus/herd immunity approach. Do you realise how many people will DIE?
We need to be trying to avoid catching it until a form of treatment or vaccine is available. We need to keep socially distancing, keep schools closed until September (like Scotland are actually putting people's lives first).
We should be trying to minimise numbers rather than let it rip through the population killing so many people unnecessarily.
Many people who have had COVID have permanent long term health consequences - heart, kidney, lung and it's still early days to know what else.
1 in 5 people infected need hospital care - that's a very high risk I don't want to take a chance with. I have elderly parents and a sister who is shielding - I want to keep the rate as low as possible until treatments are found.

Nobody knows what the R number is because there has been sod all testing in the UK

You’re about a month out of date. We are testing c.100,000 per day. That’s not sod all. Yes, we should have got there sooner, but I don’t see testing as the problem at the moment.

I think most people have more sense here and won't be sending their kids.
Of course we have some idiots too, and it's a shame for their kids.

You’re about a month out of date. We are testing c.100,000 per day. That’s not sod all.
Yes it is.
All NHS staff should be being tested every week.
All Care home staff should be being tested every week
All hospital patients should be being tested every week
All teachers and TAs should be being tested every week

NO, they are not "testing 100,000 a day"
they are sending out test kits that will generate false negatives

the drive through testing centre I pass regularly never has more patients than staff
AND
the "have it" test gives up to 30% false negatives
the "had it" test says nothing about how long immunity lasts

Of course we have some idiots too, and it's a shame for their kids

You’re a pretty vile piece of work. There are people who need their children to go back to school so that they can keep a roof over their heads. There are people who need their children to go back to school because their child’s mental health is suffering massively in lockdown.
And there are idiots like you who have no idea what other people’s lives are like, and have no empathy. Which is a shame for their kids.

No one ever said children can not the virus . What they said was that the chance of the children being very ill is extremely low .

All you have to remember is that the virus is very much more serious the older you get .

As with other illnesses you have to look at the facts as they are at the moment . We don’t give every child a flu virus do we ? But we do to those of a certain age and those with medical problems.

@Devlesko

Hmm are you a scientist , a troll , or just someone posting for political effect about a worldwide pandemic.

How very judgemental.

In Germany, there is far less leeway for parents to choose whether their child goes to school or not than in the UK - you can't choose to home school, it's illegal. However, in this situation, parents in Saxony protested against their children having to go back to school - despite the figures being extremely low here - and won their case. If parents are allowed to "choose" here, then it'll be the same in the UK, right? Though as people are saying, for many it's not a real choice.

@Devlesko that's not fair. Many people don't have a choice. It makes it even more important that the right questions are asked now because as soon as schools open many employers are going to get a lot less sympathetic.

@LavenderLilacTree

Scotland have announced very similar steps to the uk now and actually if you look at deaths per 100000 and take population density into account Scotland has a worse record than the uk .

@Morgankitten Would you like to back up your claim that 200 people are 'back in quarantine in Bristol' after 2 teachers tested positive for CV?

Since there has been no 'quarantine' for a start. And the 2 teachers you're referring to were working throughout lockdown in a special school with a maximum of 18 vulnerable pupils attending in the whole school.

And as it was a special school with teachers infected during lockdown (we don't know yet if they were likely infected at school or if any children were infected) but as it was pupils that require intimate care including toileting and personal cleaning, do you think this is relevant to a thread about increasing school provision in France?

I'd love to be one of those idiots.

My kids are at almost zero risk from Covid-19 bit are suffering a lot due to months of having their lives disrupted and having no contact with their peers.

Unfortunately I am subject to rule by a government more concerned with "health" than children's welfare, so their incarceration will continue.

Everytime I see these threads with all the posters who like to judge everyone and everything I am so surprised there is not a huge list of people wanting to be politicians so they can use all their extensive superior knowledge and make a difference .

Go for it . Put your money where your mouth is .

@ravenmum

You can chose , you won’t be fined , at the moment .

But as for individual employers that want people back at work that’s going to be a bit more of a problem .