70 cases in French schools since reopening

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Also, just because a child is at school, it doesn’t mean the child caught it at school! If schools are enforcing social distancing, I reckon it’s probable they caught it elsewhere when not socially distancing

You miss the bigger picture. Child who has virus is in school. Passes virus to others around her, including teaching staff. Other people take virus home where there are potentially vulnerable people. Teacher who has been standing in child’s ‘bubble’ for 7 hours a day potentially infected with a high viral load = more likely to have complications. School down at least one adult for, at best, 14 days. Ability of school to educate properly reduced every time a child gets sick.

It's not just the Daily Mail that is reporting it.

Seven French schools have been closed in response to the flare which implies that the 70 cases are clustered in those seven schools. No information on the rolls of those schools but France are saying only 30% of pupils went back anyway.

I don't think this is a surprise, is it? There's a German study that says the viral load is the same across children and adults, and children shed the virus at the same rate as adults. Putting children back into schools is going to lead to a surge in cases, as it did in Denmark in the space of one week. And as it has done in France, in one week.

Those saying well they were infected before opening, well that’s the point m. If they were at home 70 cases stays at 70. At school it becomes 210 if each passes it to just two others. Those two go gone and give it to a parent and a sibling and it becomes 630. Families then isolate and hopefully stop it there. But you e gone from 70 to 630 cases just like that. How many deaths from those 630? One is too many.

1.4 million schoolchildren have gone back since 11 May, and there have been 70 cases (I can find no information about whether they are adults or children, or how bad). Those schools were immediately closed again, as planned.

To be clear, that's why I think we shouldn't be sending children back to school. We don't have workable solutions to mitigate risks for pupils , teachers, other staff or the wider community.

It sounds like the infections were traced quickly. I'm sure that infections will rise on school opening - they do in every country - but it is vital to have the test and trace.

Here presumably it would be the individual bubbles shut down? In France, they also operate bubbles, did they close the school or just the bubble?

Roubaix is part of the area that has had a high number of infections and so I think it is possible that it has been passed to children from somewhere else.

France and other countries have been a lot better in their Covid 19 response in general.

Regardless of whatever you think of schools reopening, I can't believe there are people on this thread who think that COVID19 is just the same as the other coronaviruses we live with. Really?! You think the whole world shut down because this was of the same magnitude as the previous coronaviruses? Must be amazing to know so much more than every scientist and medical expert on the planet!

France has had 431 deaths per million so far, compared with the UK's current 511 (Germany: 96, Sweden: 366).

From the French newspapers, it looks like the school information comes from a TV interview with the education minister this morning. I'm a bit suspicious that the number of cases and the number of school closures is supposedly the same, although elsewhere it says that many nearby schools were also closed to be on the safe side, despite having no cases. I would guess that he may not have been very clear in the interview.

We don't have the transmission rate low enough for test and trace to work, nor do we have the competency to do test and trace. It's considerable harder than buying PPE and we couldn't rise to that.

If the number of cases rises just a little, we will be back to exponential growth and schools will close again.

And yes, the entire schools were closed, not groups.

A country that has a VERY bad track record of treating Covid-19 cannot afford to say "Well gee, gotta get back on the horse sometime". We have to develop better skills and then go forward from there. We can't do things just because we want to-it will actually delay the day when we can do what we want to.

I can't believe there are people on this thread who think that COVID19 is just the same as the other coronaviruses we live with
I don't think anyone is saying that? They are saying that we'll have to learn to live with it, as well as all the other sources of illness. Which is certainly what the government ministers in France are saying.

I don't think the UK has reached the stage at which it's appropriate to go back to school yet, no. But it will, and it may not be that far in the future. France isn't that far ahead.

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Yes someone did say it. They clearly haven't turned on the news in a while or they'd have noticed how many die while 'living' with Covid-19. You don't 'learn' to live with something like that. You watch doctors and nurses die. You learn what that feels like. You learn what it feels like not to have a health service. You learn what it feels like for death at an early age to be far, far more common. You learn that.

We'll also have to live with knowing how many of our fellow citizens wanted us and our children locked up indefinitely regardless of the harm it did.

Regardless of whatever you think of schools reopening, I can't believe there are people on this thread who think that COVID19 is just the same as the other coronaviruses we live with. Really?! You think the whole world shut down because this was of the same magnitude as the previous coronaviruses? Must be amazing to know so much more than every scientist and medical expert on the planet!

Except there are many scientists and medical experts who think COVID 19 is not that great a threat, as viruses go. Because it isn't - it kills mainly the elderly and those with complex health needs. There are many who say that it is laughable to think you can contain a contagious respiratory virus which spreads asymptomatically. They argue that in the vast majority of people it infects, it causes zero symptoms. And they believe it is going to continue to spread around most of the world's population and there really isn't anything we can do to stop that. We can slow it, yes, but only for so long. This is coming from highly respected professionals, not a fringe group of quacks.

70 schools have closed, many as a precautionary measure. 7 schools in Roubaix because just one positive test and 24 schools in Sens without any cases, for example.
www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/jean-michel-blanquer-nbsp-70-cas-de-covid-19-dans-les-ecoles-20200518

A country that has a VERY bad track record of treating Covid-19 cannot afford to say "Well gee, gotta get back on the horse sometime". We have to develop better skills and then go forward from there.

So what’s your proposed timeline for that, and what do you think should happen with children in the meantime?

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h

You should get a prize for wilful misinterpretation of a comment, and another for being as overly emotive and dramatic as possible!

I mean if we’re saying children can’t go back to school until everyone agrees the Tories are competent, we’re going to be waiting until they’re old and grey.

www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/coronavirus-70-ecoles-ont-ete-fermees-depuis-le-11-mai-annonce-blanquer-sur-rtl-7800525239

This is the original interview.

Well it's not just you and your kids is it nih. We're all in the same boat and we're all trying to keep those we love out of ICU, including our HCPs. No need to pretend you're living through a genocide with your door welded shut.

To be clear, that's why I think we shouldn't be sending children back to school. We don't have workable solutions to mitigate risks for pupils , teachers, other staff or the wider community.

And if we never have a vaccine or if any vaccine that is produced isn't 100% effective? What then? We never send them back?

Ok. That sounds workable.

It's a virus which is extremely low risk for children and healthy adults. There is clear data showing that. Those with chronic health problems and the vulnerable grandparents who it does pose a risk to are the ones who need shielding and protecting.

@iamapixie

I agree. Totally irresponsible journalism.
Another article I read (US News & World Report) only gave the total number for middle school students attending = 150,000.
They were completely vague about younger students.
So if I just look at the known, documented number, and leave the little guys out of it, 70 cases in 150K is .046%.