70 cases in French schools since reopening

[Hippywannabe]

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[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

golden

The time frame is: as long as it takes to bring the transmission rate down to a number that test and trace can successfully deal with and as long as it takes to get test and trace up and running competently. We're a well resourced, privileged nation and we absolutely should be able to do this. Unless you're bizarrely unconcerned about the deaths of people who are vulnerable (and by extension those caring for them who will have a high viral load) there isn't an alternative that doesn't involve repeated unsuccessful attempts to come out of lockdown.

[newusername2009]

That’s good news number is so low

[ravenmum]

OK, in that interview it is really a bit unclear - I think he might have said that there have been 70 cases in which schools have closed, rather than 70 cases of the virus. He stumbles over his words a bit at that point, about 50 seconds in. Any native French speakers who can make it out?

[GoldenOmber]

Well I totally agree that test and trace needs to be in place before schools are reopened, but that is the actual plan re English schools is it not?

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

And just to be clear, it's been fairly dramatic for the NHS staff lately and for the many, many families who have lost family members. Unless you're personally working on the front line with all the risk, exhaustion and illness that entails, you're not in a position to veto a "dramatic" post pointing out exactly what it's like to have Covid-19 rampaging through our health service.

[ravenmum]

L'indépendant says 1.4 million schoolchildren went back.

[Nihiloxica]

Well it's not just you and your kids is it nih.

No, indeed.

It's also children at risk of serious abuse at the hands of their parents, including the ones already murdered during lockdown while most safeguarding is suspended.

But as long as your loved ones are "safe at home", eh?

Your position is not morally monstrous at all.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

Ha. You don't really think the transmission rate is low enough and test and trace will be in place by then do you?

[croprotationinthe13thcentury]

Of course it is very low.
That won’t stop the frothers on here going into overdrive though.

[Nihiloxica]

The NHS staff I know are bored and say things are very quiet.

They are worried about the things they know are happening at home that they would usually see and are not.

The Lockdown Enthusiasts have blood on their hands.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

I find it terrifying and heart warming that there are people out there with that level of confidence in a government that couldn't rise to buying masks and accidentally missed out on working with Europe to do so when an email got mislaid in Boris's spam folder. I'd rather be in Germany. New Zealand. South Korea. We couldn't find our way out of a paper bag.

[ravenmum]

People react to a dramatic situation in different ways. Sometimes it is the most frightened who want to keep the discussion as rational as possible.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

nih

People are not failing to come in for treatment for other conditions because of lockdown!!! They are welcome to come in! And that is the case because lockdown worked and staff are available as a result!! They are not coming in because our transmission rate isn't yet low enough for people to feel safe out and about.

And don't diminish what our HCPs have been through in recent weeks. That is out of order. Look at how many families of NHS workers are grieving and have some respect.

[Confusedbutheyho]

It isn’t scaremongering to post what’s happening 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Nihiloxica]

Why are you so keen for us all to be held captive indefinitely by a useless government we shouldn't trust?

That's a bit of a contradictory position.

[Sandybval]

Wow 70, they better shut all of the schools straight away.

[Nihiloxica]

Wow 70, they better shut all of the schools straight away.

They had better shut everything down forever.

No price is to great!

It's like Brexit but even more exciting and apocalyptic.

[ravenmum]

It's potentially scaremongering to report figures without sufficient context or explanation, but the DM article provides a little background at least.

[Quartz2208]

The problem is 0v9 we are all very much NOT all in the same boat. Same storm yes but everyone has a very different boat to navigate which allows for different decisions

I think 70 schools have closed to check and confirm and they are clustered around outbreaks

In effect it is exactly what the contact tracing testing and quarantine that we all want should be doing

Schools going back on the 1st relies on this happening. Personally I think it will be a week or two later

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

nih

Unlike you, I wouldn't diminish the seriousness of the point you're making because it has been lined up against my position. I completely agree that we need to be very mindful and careful going forward that vulnerable children have every opportunity to receive support, and there are no easy answers. School was never about that anyway but it did provide an important vehicle for safeguarding. It's often those same children and their families who are most affected by Covid, for reasons we don't fully understand yet. But don't turn this into a narrative where people don't care about children you do care about. Some of those children rely heavily on ageing relatives and by extension our health service. If the transmission rate followed by competent test and trace isn't followed, we simply won't have a sustained end to the lockdown. Please try to understand how this works. It's simply not an option that we have an out of control Covid-19 going on. How do you think vulnerable families in New York have been doing? It's not pretty.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

quartz

Yes but we need to have a low transmission rate and high competency for that to work. I already know you have no faith in our government to pull that off as you've said so on a different thread.

[ravenmum]

The R number is already pretty low in the UK, isn't it? About the same as in Germany?

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

quartz

And yes I do realise we're not all in the same boat, I was responding to nih suggestion that a group of people were locking up another group-we are certainly not in different boats in the way that suggests. As I think you know.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

Raven

No!!!

Good grief.

[ravenmum]

Or is the low R no. only due to the poor testing?