Do you reckon we could go on lockdown again

[Italianmoma1983]

If there is another spike ? I’m happy to go back to work but also scared and I can’t really explain why. I’m young and healthy so not really at risk...just a bit scared to leave my bubble

I'm sure many on MN hope so as they'd miss the competitive misery of lockdown.

Personally I hope not as I don't think a lot of people would be able to cope with it mentally and there would also be further damage to the economy.

I think they will, but might do it in a different way, this time. Perhaps more people back at work but with straighter rules regarding distancing in workplaces. I really think there has to be a law change that companies over a certain number are legally obligated to carry out risk assessments and implement a mixture of distancing and furloughed/work from home workers.

My main concern is the possibility that we can’t get flu jabs as a result if the pandemic, so we could have a double whammy later in the year.

I don't think a lot of people would be able to cope with it mentally

the local attitude here is astonishing. I have been following other forums and social media from countries in really strict lockdown and conditions who I find frightening, it's only in the UK with more guidelines than a strict lockdown and nothing remotely like a house arrest that people are so fragile and their "mental health" is apparently struggling.

Are other countries just more quiet about it? WHY is there so much difference and we are at least more vocal about it? Or just spoil enough that we can moan because things are not that bad here?

I am genuinely puzzled.

I think it’s too soon to tell, we need to watch Italy and Spain, both of whom are a few weeks ahead of us

Just because you don't understand @OneandTwenty doesn't mean it's not happening. Do you really think we're going to hear about the mental health of the Chinese population? Of course we're not.

If it's a case of the UK being more vocal then that's a good thing. Surely people with mental health issues shouldn't be suffering in silence?

I can’t see the mental health of those struggling, getting any better if we open up too soon and a lot more people die. This is the bit I can’t understand. My neighbour was very ill in hospital with it and 16 in the nursing home on my small road died from it. I have two friends that each lost a parent to it. How is increasing the death rate going to be any better for those struggling?

I do understand mental health as I’ve struggled with problems for most of my life, but the thought of opening up too soon, scares me.

Just because you don't understand @OneandTwenty doesn't mean it's not happening. Do you really think we're going to hear about the mental health of the Chinese population? Of course we're not.

why wouldn't hear about the Chinese population for a start? They don't count?

We do seem like a very moany country, that's all, and inventing issues when there aren't any.

Yes.
I have doctor friends who are expecting another big wave in July time and then for us to go into lockdown again over the Christmas period :-/
Flu is usually rife then so they are expecting the government to tighten everything up so the NHS can cope. Neither of them expect for us to be able to mingle with lots of people or family or friends depending on how bad it is over the Christmas period.
I was gutted when I heard this and hope to god they're wrong

I hope there won't be another full lockdown- I'm in Scotland so we're still in it anyway - I'm probably going to get hounded for this, but going forward it would make a lot more sense for the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions to stay in, rather than all of the population, and therefore financial assistance could be targeted more specifically. It would make sense though to keep a lid on any mass gatherings for quite some time.

Oneandtwenty perhaps other countries have more faith in their governments decision making and understand the benefit long term of a short term sacrifice . Most people were supportive of lockdown when it started here, but ironically despite daily briefings the strategy on why we're in lockdown and what the endgame is seems patchy. Add in planes arriving in UK without passengers being put into quarantine, political point scoring in devolved governments and it feels like we're continuing to sacrifice our own and DCs semblance of normality for no good reason. I'd say that would cause some mental health concerns.

As far as I’m concerned we still are in lockdown. I can’t see both of my parents together in their house, I can’t hug them, I can’t allow my children to see their cousins and hug them, I can’t visit my grandparents at all, my kids can’t go to school, I can’t walk straight into a supermarket and shop like I normally would, I can’t go swimming or to the gym which, as far as I’m concerned helps with my mental health and keeps me grounded. I know we are all going through it together but please don’t imply that we are out of lockdown simply because some of us can now go back to work and or because we can go and sit on a bench at the park surrounded by complete strangers as opposed to our families. Nothing has changed.

I do think people need more help with mental health issues and the government need to look into that sooner, rather than later and to be honest I’m fed up to the back teeth of all the ‘we’re all in it together so jolly hockey sticks. Aren’t we having a great time?’ guff on tv.

I have a fiend with serious mental health issues that will visit me, but we stay outside in the garden and she has ‘her’ seat set up for her. It’s important that can spend a few minutes having a normal boring chat, face to face as such. We still stay @15 feet away from each other. Since I started doing this, I’ve seen her mood improve and I know it gives her something to look forward to. But we’re both lucky that o have a decent size garden and can do this. I know it’s much worse for those without this option.

Love the way people spout their opinion or their preferred outcomes as though it's gospel

The sooner they can get regional ratings done, the better. It will enable the higher risk areas to be targeted, rather than total national lockdown. Then as that area gets back under control, it enables the lockdown to be relaxed again. Or it may not need a complete lockdown, just better enforcement of social distancing behaviours and modifications to transport.

*I don't think a lot of people would be able to cope with it mentally

the local attitude here is astonishing. I have been following other forums and social media from countries in really strict lockdown and conditions who I find frightening, it's only in the UK with more guidelines than a strict lockdown and nothing remotely like a house arrest that people are so fragile and their "mental health" is apparently struggling.

Are other countries just more quiet about it? WHY is there so much difference and we are at least more vocal about it? Or just spoil enough that we can moan because things are not that bad here?

I am genuinely puzzled*

Um, maybe have a look at this...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-52400085/coronavirus-lockdown-s-heavy-toll-on-italy-s-mental-health

As far as I’m concerned we still are in lockdown

looking and reading around, you are in the minority. People have seen the restrictions and run with them.

It doesn't help that as soon as you speak about opening school, you implicitly give permission to people to meet, as their kids will be with each other anyway.

Basically big mental health crisis in Italy due to Lockdown...

I hope not. It will properly fuck the economy even further and if existing ICU resource was nowhere near overwhelmed last time there won’t be any need to unless there is. They can’t keep ordering businesses to close for months on end and/or paying furlough.

Absolutely. My neighbour's daughter had 6 friends over last night for a sleepover. She is a nurse so probably bringing covid home....then all of thos teens will go home to their parents...and on it goes.

If you have seen the death toll and the videos showing the amount of bodies in Italy, I am not sure it's the actual lockdown which is most to blame!

We started lockdown in Northern Ireland before England and we’ll be in it for longer than you. Ironically people have more faith in our politicians handling of this, even though we absolutely despise some of them, than we do in the British government. I can’t stand Arlene and think she’s a homophobic, religious bigot, but by guck I can’t fault her on this.

I think a lot of reason people have lost faith is the fact that the IK government seem to waffle a lot and not make things clear. How can you trust a government, when they contradict each other and you can’t work out what the hell they mean?

If you have seen the death toll and the videos showing the amount of bodies in Italy, I am not sure it's the actual lockdown which is most to blame!

I agree. Watching tens of thousands of people dying must have a huge impact on mental health.

Basically big mental health crisis in Italy due to Lockdown...

Imagine what it'd be like here if we actually had lockdown. We've been always been allowed outside to exercise and in the shop without restriction as long as we're making some attempt at socially distancing.

I think locking people in their homes is counter productive as it causes more problems than it solves in the long run. The problem with our government was just not reacting quick enough.

As long as the lockdown remains the only control measure, yes, we will have several lockdowns.
But I’m hoping more safety measures will be implemented within the next 6 months so that we could have more of a temporary sequestration of areas than complete closures nationwide.
So that this time next year we can get on with our jobs, schools etc in a more regular flow of life whilst adopting various measures. For ex. fast testing methods (like Spit samples that can be tested within the hour), adequate respiratory protection throughout the society, physical barriers in the ways of pods, screens etc, improved ventilation in enclosed spaces, fast and effective decontamination procedures (for environments such as at the dentist, doctors etc)).
As our understanding of the behaviour of this virus becomes better, then some measures will become unnecessary and new ones will be implemented.
Some avenues will be worth exploring, some won’t .
For ex., there is a degree of discussion regarding Vit D deficiency. If this proves, categorically, to be an important factor (it may not be) then maybe nationwide campaigns of medication might be appropriate. Jumping the gun here, but, maybe, there could be a way of having some sort of delivery system like a patch which delivers the required does according to individual needs.
I hope (but don’t expect it) that there will be more emphasis on applying practical prevention measures which allow more freedom of movement.
And maybe some sort of alternative covid only treatment centres.
Maybe we could even have some system where we say yes, open this nightclub if you want, have screening in place if it is reliable and feasible but at the same time those attending could fund their own recovery treatment if they catch the virus - even if it is caught somewhere else as you can’t prove it. Individuals will have to take some responsibility and make decisions for themselves. If their actions do not have a negative impact on the society through added stress on the NHS for example, then they can do what they want but must be responsible for the consequences.

Well here is some more on psychosis due to isolation in case any more need to learn a little more about MH...and how 'fragile' it can be..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52527994

@Celan Cheers.Thanks for that. Let’s hope everyone doesn’t have your attitude.

I’m so worried that people are already ignoring the new guidelines . And yes I know they are vague but not all of them. For example staying 2 metres away and not mixing households. I’ve just been on a walk and England must have loads of families of 8plus is all I can say...