Do you reckon we could go on lockdown again

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If there is another spike ? I’m happy to go back to work but also scared and I can’t really explain why. I’m young and healthy so not really at risk...just a bit scared to leave my bubble

highmarkingsnowmobile Sun 17-May-20 15:28:53
I don't smoke. I used to. But hey, carry on hanging onto lockdown, doom mongering and praying for Armageddon.
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I don't believe anyone wants that! It's natural to be cautious under the circumstances, though. Most of us have been careful over the past however many weeks, it would be a dreadful shame for all that to have been for nothing and the whole thing start over again.

No. I predict there will be hot spots across the country where there are flare ups and people will have to take precautions again.
So, while it could flare in Orange County, southern CA., and those people will be encouraged (but not forced) to be extra-careful, Napa Valley, northern CA., might be business as usual.

Once schools are up and running, and the economy starts to show signs it still has a pulse, it's going to be tough, if not impossible, to put the horse in the barn. And I don't believe our leadership are a bunch of money-hungry vampires, either. We're getting to the point that the risk of most of us dying from disease does not outweigh the cost to our economic, social and mental well-being. It was never meant to be a long-term solution.

We have to learn to live with the virus - and it's going to be uncertain what the "dance" looks like for a while.

Orangeblossom78 Sun 17-May-20 15:48:40
Did anyone read the stuff about the hammer and the dance or the option of certain areas locking down?
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I haven't. Please do tell. While I'm waiting I'll google and see what I can find.

PS: Found this:
labornotes.org/2020/05/hammer-and-dance-why-reopening-now-will-kill

Lynda it's all upthread...

Basically it means the lockdown is like a 'hammer' and then there is a kind of 'dance' around the R number...it's quite interesting. Link earlier in the thread

We are still in lockdown!

What is being said about the wearing of face masks in the UK? The HSE in Ireland has now changed to recommending that they are worn in certain higher risk situations like on public transport or in shops. I've ordered a couple anyway as I have to attend a hospital blood test clinic regularly and I'm in a high risk category anyway.

I doubt people will comply if there is.

Honestly, who knows?

At the moment, we actually have few information about covid, incl the real death rate (as we still havent tested everyne, incl people who are not symptomtic).
Once we have proper number and we know who is asymptomatic, proportions etc... then we will have a better idea of the exact death rate.
We also have few information about transmission rates and ways (a lot of what we 'know' is about coronaviruses in general arther than covid).
We still have little idea of what is actually helpful to treat covid. Ventilators are out, that's for sure. But what else is replacing them? (oxygen, blood thinner, vitamin C... Many trials going on there)

AND if (or when?) there will be a second spike, we might be struggling so much with the economy and its cost (by that I mean the human cost of a crashed economy, unemployment, poverty and yes increase in ill health/deaths). We will also have a better idea of what has been the human costs of the lockdown (how many unexpected deaths will we have because of the lockdown? People not seeking help because they dont want to go to hospital, people not treated etc...).

Once we know all that, I think there will be a rethink. Maybe if there is a spike, we will be in lockdown again. Maybe we will deal with it another way because we will know better how to deal with the virus.
It's impossible to say tbh.

@Hollyhobbi, fwiw, wearing a mask protect OTHERS but not you.
So you wearing a mask means you are protecting other people around you. Its not protecting you.
Its Others wearing a mask around that you are protecting you.

I think judging by my city today then yes.

Our hospitals barely cope in normal flu season, they will not have capacity to deal with extra coronavirus cases in winter. Our hospitals ICU was full the week before lockdown, if we had carried on as we were then it would have been weeks before people died because there were no beds.

My city was really busy today, my concern is vunerable people could leave their house and go for a walk before. With the way it was today its absolutely impossible to social distance, so elderly/vunerable people at risk have no chance of leaving their homes. If we reopen schools we have no chance of limiting the spread.

I dont want more lockdown, ive hated every second tbh. But I think it will be necessary.

I dont think we as a country had the virus under control to open as we seem to have done. We seem to be incapable of regulating ourselves.

We have to learn to live with the virus - and it's going to be uncertain what the "dance" looks like for a while.

I agree. I think many people have forgotten what it means to live in a place where diseases, untreatable diseases, are still around. I am sure that people living in areas infected by malaria, cholera etc... don't have the same horror reaction than people have had in the UK (and generally in western countries).

highmarkingsnowmobile

I am sure your real life is exactly as you like to paint it on anonymous forum, lucky you
not sure why you are wasting your time here when you could enjoy it....

Not like this - we went into this blind. We had covid in uk since jan and gov did nothing to protect care homes etc. Now we all know the symptoms, the risks etc so it hopefully won’t get that out of hand again.

@OneandTwenty

*Ihaven't stopped working and no-one I know has.
I can buy anything online, buy non-contact for all the local shops, and many shops have completely reopened here.
I have to stick to walking and driving to visit things, and watch tv instead of going to the movies.
I have never stopped being able to see local friends at distance

So yes, it's pretty shit and I don't want to dwell on the holidays we have already cancelled and the travel I can't do. But it's not remotely the house arrest people claims it is, and I really don't want it to become stricter and lose out on my summer.

Like most people, I have cancelled all my annual leave so far and really hope to be able to take them in the summer!*

Your experience is very different to mine.

I haven’t seen any friends or family because we are not suppose to visit other people’s houses. Those are the rules.
Under the slight change I have today met with 1 friend for an hour at the park while DH watched our children. It’s the first time I’ve seen anyone in 8 weeks.

I am working from home so haven’t seen anyone for work.

Yes I can shop online and have been using Tesco deliveries so haven’t even been going to a shop.

My life has completely changed- it’s nothing like it used to be where I would be at playgroups with the children, working part time, taking the children to my parents for dinner every weekend.

I am very fearful of a “second” lock down because
for me this one hasn’t ended yet and I just don’t think I can carry on living like this until Winter, or whenever we are finally allowed to mix Households and go to activities again.

We have to learn to live with the virus - and it's going to be uncertain what the "dance" looks like for a while

I suppose the government's month by month approach to gently lifting measures, while observing other countries, might be helpful.

Could keep an eye on the R number and maybe earn from other countries e.g. Denmark, Sweden, Holland for example. there is room for hope...

Maybe our increased social distancing and hand washing might even mean a better flu season this year too.

Have a look at this. This is from 2012, we are not in general the cleanest of nations... or were perhaps is a better word!

www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/dirty-brits-are-worlds-worst-flu-spreaders/

I haven’t seen any friends or family because we are not suppose to visit other people’s houses.

it has never been the rules that you couldn't stay outside of their house if you respected social distancing. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing.

This was my point, I might want it to be over, but I really do not want it to be worst and much stricter. People were very vocal that schools could never close and it just would never happen. It did. They are also vocal that strict lockdown could not happen in the UK. Of course it could, and I would rather seeing it.

Will the government fund another furlough scheme? I’m not sure they will therefore no lockdown.

*NOT seeing it

No we won't lockdown again

I haven't stopped working and no-one I know has.
I can buy anything online, buy non-contact for all the local shops, and many shops have completely reopened here.
I have to stick to walking and driving to visit things, and watch tv instead of going to the movies.
I have never stopped being able to see local friends at distance

I think many people have different experiences tbh.

I know many people who are on furlough and are worried about losing their job at the end of it.
Some peole have taken the rules of the lockdown to the letter, for various reasons, and havent seen their friends 'at a distance'. IN big part ecause you were supposed to only be able to go outside for a daily exercise. Not to see friends.
Some people have really reduced their outings to a supermarket (just seeing the queues is enough to put me off. But then I cant stand for very long so physically cant anyway).

And then I have friends where one family member is in the high risk category and no one is going out of the house at all for fear of bringing the virus back (this would kill said person shielding wo a doubt).
I have friends who are working in the NHS and are still working but also scared of bringging the virus back home everyday.

Basically, for some people it's much harder than you are making it out to be.

Fwiw, for me, the end of the lockdown is going to be hard. Very hard.

Because what most people see as 'being a very difficult time where you cant do anything', well this is my normal. And for once, in the last 5 years or so (probably more), I feel like everyone else is doing the same than me and i don't have to feel bad about it. Looking at people starting 'to live again' isnt going to be easy for me when I am going to be stuck at that same place (hardly going out bar one weekly shop etc...).

That's what having a chronic illness means for me.

And it also shows that being in a lockdown doesn't mean the same thing for everyone either.

No I don't think there will be another lockdown too much damage has already been done to the economy.
The government won't be able to afford another lockdown.
I'm afraid we will all have to learn to live alongside this virus people are at serious risk of losing jobs dying from other diseases such as cancer.

It can't go on life has to resume the media defiantly hasn't helped with anyone's mental health or mind set.

I think judging by my city today then yes.

Our hospitals barely cope in normal flu season, they will not have capacity to deal with extra coronavirus cases in winter. Our hospitals ICU was full the week before lockdown, if we had carried on as we were then it would have been weeks before people died because there were no beds.

It's totally normal for the NHS to be completely inundated with each influenza/respiratory virus season. Why should this be so different?

This straightforwardly life-threatening ventilator capacity shortage for children in December 2019 received little coverage - certainly not on MN

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/29/nhs-picu-shortage-intensive-care-beds-critically-ill-children