At the garden centre....on home oxygen

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Went to buy plants. Lady in the queue looking frail and with husband carrying her home oxygen tank. Life is for living

I'm sure many would say she should stay at home but I applaud her.

I hope she has many happy visits to buy plants.

@OneOfTheHerd Takes one to know one.

The woman and her DH are idiots

You know NOTHING about her, her husband or what their thought process was. They are adults, and capable of weighing up a situation and deciding what is the level of risk they want to take.

and the risk to other people...............

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed

It's much more likely, given that she's already on oxygen, that she won't get a hospital bed and will be left to (probably) die at home.

and the risk to other people...............

But you can say that about anyone who ever leaves the house now.

Quite convenient if you get a buzz out of sticking the boot into people, eh, OneOfTheHerd?

If you are on oxygen you are in the shielded category who should still be in until the end of June. Lockdown relaxation does not apply to this category .
If she wants to ignore that then if she gets ill I hope she stays home and doesn't expect hosp treatment if she contracts the virus or indeed spread it to others ( like her husband ) who then pass away as well.
The shielding measures are in place for good reason .

and the risk to other people...............

Life nowadays is so much easier when you concentrate on what you can control and not trying to control other people.

I would say it is probably unwise of her, but none of us know her full story. I imagine she is fully aware that she is more at risk than most and has made the decision to go anyway. Keep your distance, and pack it in with the judgement. Shielding is voluntary, not law.

trying to control other people.

It's all that some people have got left unfortunately.

This whole business has unearthed a really nasty controlling streak in a big chunk of the population. It seems to come out worse on MN where people like OneOfTheHerd can hide behind a keyboard.

If you are on oxygen you are in the shielded category who should still be in until the end of June

FFS how many more times. You are advised to shield. You are not legally required to stay in your home and never leave it.

@Heyblaby. I'm zen not clapping for you today !

If you are on oxygen you are in the shielded category who should still be in until the end of June.

If they choose to.

Lockdown relaxation does not apply to this category

Lockdown didn't enforce it either.

I'm presuming it's the former and now they have an excuse.

I think it is too. The current situation provides them with an excuse to be more vocal in their self righteous unpleasantness, which they have firmly placed under the category for the greater good. These self appointed, self important individuals are loving the opportunity to denigrate and verbally attack older members of society, terming them clueless, selfish, idiots, and so on for simply getting on with their own lives.
Once there was respect for older people and their contribution to society. Now all there is anger, exasperation and mockery towards them.These unpleasant ageist angry individuals are everywhere. Sad times indeed.

If you are on oxygen you are in the shielded category who should still be in until the end of June

It's an advisory, NOT a legal demand.

I thought patients who were palliative, less than six months to live had been told to do what they want.

If you are on oxygen you are in the shielded category who should still be in until the end of June. Lockdown relaxation does not apply to this category

That’s government advice, a recommendation. She can choose, based on her personal circumstances, whether she goes out or not. Unless of course you think the shielding group should have their every movement monitored or front door taped up. Personally, I think that sort of thing is best left in China.

Thinking it through, the behaviour of some posters - harping on that people at the very end of life should spend their last days locked away for the sake of having a virtue signal - is fucking repellent.

This whole business has bought out the very worst in some people.

Lucked Having home oxygen doesn’t mean you are requiring palliative care - although that is often the case. Palliative medicine is not restricted to six months. Someone with pulmonary fibrosis, some cancers or pulmonary hypertension might have home oxygen and receive the support of a palliative medicine team for several years.

Or she might be requiring palliative care.

This is the point - I don't know, you don't know, IT'S NONE OF YOUR (OR MY) FUCKING BUSINESS.

Forming moral judgements based on a tiny snapshot of others' lives. FFS.

NamesNamesSoManyNames I'm very well aware I am probably the biggest risk factor for my clients, and I do everything possible to minimise that risk including only leaving the house to work, only shopping once a week wearing a mask and washing my hands/using such frequent hand gel my skin is peeling in places. I'm totally entitled to go out exercising, enjoying the outdoors, visiting garden centres and the rest of it but I don't because I know I'm the biggest risk they face.

Every single person who puts their individual wants above the potential risk to others is saying they've prioritised that over increasing the risk to my clients, colleagues and myself.

It's all a mess of possibly, potentially, maybe, likely etc etc. The scariest part of this whole situation is how much we dont know and how much we can't possibly know.

I'm not judging anyone's lifestyle choices, I'm terrified their actions could be the one tiny risk factor that ultimately kills people I've spent years caring for and trying to give the best quality of life to. If you want to condemn me for that go ahead, I hope and pray nobody you knows dies from this and leaves you searching for answers as to why and how they contracted it. I fervently wish it would all go away and life could return to normal but that just isn't realistic so I have to settle for wanting every single person to do their very best to minimise their potential exposure to and passing on of it.

I thought patients who were palliative, less than six months to live had been told to do what they want

Anyone in the shielding group can do what they want because they have only been advised to shield, not compelled to. If people keep repeating this often enough, maybe it will sink in eventually.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I think you're right. More than likely insignificant bullies with not much of a life, who are now feeling important throwing their weight around. You've got to pity them really, Jesus imagine being like that 😱

@userxx I used to pity them. I can understand that many of them are genuinely stressed and afraid and so they're lashing out. Now I think that's actually a tiny number and the rest just get a kick out of being spiteful, venomous bullies.

People like this lady are very likely to end up in hospital if infected with Covid19, and put a strain on the health services and risk staff becoming infected, and taking it home to their Families/children

Oh ffs there are some hysterical Hetties about.

People who deliver on-line shopping might have an accident on the way. What if they catch Covid from the paramedics, then give it to the nurse looking after them in hospital, and they gave it to their children...would any of you stop on-line shopping because of that risk? Yet many of are bitching about somebody none of us know going to a garden centre based on "if", "buts" and "maybes". The woman is allowed to enjoy herself, being miserable and judgy won't stop covid.

If miserable and judgy did stop Covd, there's some posters on here who could stop it in it's tracks with a single comment.