Keir Starmer's popularity ratings now higher than Boris Johnson's

[effingterrified]

Shame we don't have an election for ages.

But great to finally have some opposition to this government again, particularly as UK deaths overtake every other country in the world apart from the Us, that has a population 5 times as big.

"Anecdotally, care homes were threatened with the removal of funding if they refused."

Here you go Clav. It’s the Telegraph so I’m sure you’re a subscriber.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/14/equalities-watchdog-considers-whether-sending-patients-hospitals/

That’s not irony by the way

It is. You clearly don’t understand what it means. In the same way that you don’t understand how debate works. Ask Clav for some lessons, she’s good at this.

Well, given that worst case, it makes the decision to allow the transfer of CV suspected patients into care homes even more worrying

The Telegraph link refers to asymptomatic patients - why would they be suspected CV patients if they were asymptomatic?

Do you have any links to either of your points

The quotes you provided are sufficient.

"There were differing views within the group about the likelihood of sustained transmission in the UK both currently and in the near future.

Some believe it is a realistic possibility that sustained transmission in the UK will become established in the coming weeks while others believe this likelihood is higher and that there may already be sustained transmission"

The Telegraph link refers to asymptomatic patients - why would they be suspected CV patients if they were asymptomatic?

Why would you take the chance and not test them in the middle of a pandemic?

PMQs will be interesting next week.

It does look like the scientists did think that:

Either sustained transmission would be established in the coming weeks

Or

There may already be sustained transmission

And that was February 10th.

This leads to so so many questions.

Why would you take the chance and not test them in the middle of a pandemic? To be fair, it was the beginning of a pandemic!

And they didn't have access to enought tests; and a lot of other things that are only really clear from here and now!

Mainly they were still juggling the worst case scenario facts and figures, leading to things like those Nightingale hospitals that will (hopefully) turn out to have been a complete waste of time and money!

And they didn't have access to enought tests; and a lot of other things that are only really clear from here and now

That's true.

It seems that there was not the capacity to do a lot of tests - so NHS staff were prioritised.

Test capacity may have been the reason that track and trace was dropped.

Test capacity may have been the reason that track and trace was dropped I think that has been said a few times on various podia.

By the time they had access to valid/reliable tests the time/situation for track and trace had passed. So they had to wait for levels of infection to drop again, to make T+T an effective option. There was more detail than that, about absolute numbers, % rates etc, but that was what I remember from it.

By the time they had access to valid/reliable tests the time/situation for track and trace had passed

They had access to valid tests for RT-PCR
Whether they had capacity is different - and questions need to be asked.

It's true that by the time the capacity had increased, it was too late for track and trace.

Whether they had capacity is different - and questions need to be asked. Was that the lack of swabs etc? Or they had swabs but no reagent and by the time they had the chemicals they again needed more swabs etc. I know there was a bit of to'ing and fro'ing as various resources waxed and waned.

And the tests that were purchased and didn't work; other countries had simialr issues with early tests. Lots and lots of specific questions.

Many of which should wait until after all this is over! Others maybe not!

And the tests that were purchased and didn't work; other countries had simialr issues with early tests

That's different - that was the antibody test. The RT-PCR test is reliable and validated.

Whether the infrastructure and resources were in place - well, I know that the public inquiry will bring all that out in the open.

Alsohuman I think youve has too coffee or might need a bit of fresh air! I’m not debating anything

Just talking about my personal views on a Internet forum

I’m not debating anything

That's true

FliesandPies the last time I checked it wasn’t a debating site. If you feel you have to go in to combat every time you log on - rock

Spillinteas If you post contentious statements then obviously other pp are going to want to take you up on them. If you then decide to dodge any discussion then, err, I suppose (whatever that means) but it comes across a bit gutless.

Oh dear, it appears there’s a lack of understanding of the meaning of debate as well as irony.

flies but I was discussing it - then got accused of derailing. Then got accused of ‘not playing the game’ because I couldn’t be arsed to post links on what I’d mentioned. Articles that have been discussed here at great length about the guardian newspaper.

Debate and discussion are two different things and this thread shows it. You can’t have a discussion about how you think the Labour Party let you down with out a rabid Corbynite drawing swords! Talk about burning bridges... People like on this thread actively put people off coming back.

Labour have got so so much work to do to bring people back and luckily with the mismanagement of the virus by the torys you might be able to scrape some back - but then again that would only be by default. I’ll say it again - I hope KS is the man to bring people back but only time will tell.

Me : I left labour as I couldn’t stand by their actions. KS looks good, I’ve read about a few things that aren’t great but hopefully he will be the ones that brings us leavers back

Rabid lab supporters : LINK LINK, but Tories are worse! Fight me! Burn the witch!

Debate and discussion are two different things

They’re not actually. And here’s a link to help you.

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/debate

Nonsense, no post i've seen here has been 'rabid' Corbynite in fact I don't think i've seen any in support of him. You are seeing what you want to see, not what's actually been posted.

Then got accused of ‘not playing the game’ because I couldn’t be arsed to post links on what I’d mentioned

If you can't back up what you say with at least some evidence then you lose the argument.

And people who talk about Rabid Corbynites are always labour-haters so I don't believe you are waiting to see anything from Starmer, you just want to put the boot in. Fair enough, i'm happy to slate the tories all day long, but be honest about it.

You can’t have a discussion about how you think the Labour Party let you down with out a rabid Corbynite drawing swords

Has any 'rabid Corbynite' drawn swords with you?

In fact, I don't think Corbyn has been mentioned on here by many Labour supporters. The times he has mostly been mentioned is by certain Tory posters who can't seem to let him go.

What do you think Keir Starmer has to do to win back Labour supporters?

What do you think Boris Johnson has to do to retain Labour supporters who went to his party?

It’s true. We’re all trying to put Corbyn behind us, it’s the Tories who can’t discuss anything without dragging him in.

And they didn't have access to enought tests; and a lot of other things that are only really clear from here and now!

Regardless of the test capacity, its completely irresponsible to send people who have been in a CV environment back into the care home system, should have been isolated within the hospital they were being treated in, instead care homes were told nothing to worry about until mid march, the advice still stayed up on the pHE website until end of march.