Keir Starmer's popularity ratings now higher than Boris Johnson's

[effingterrified]

Shame we don't have an election for ages.

But great to finally have some opposition to this government again, particularly as UK deaths overtake every other country in the world apart from the Us, that has a population 5 times as big.

The guardian articles are very easy to find just type in ‘Guardian Asian Politicians

It doesn’t work like that. You provide your own evidence, I’m not going to hunt it out.

I listened to Laura Kuenssberg last night, she started her piece about how hard it was for a new govt, just in power, to deal with a crisis like CV, that they were having to cope with a failed social care system, a under funded NHS, quoted a few ministers who said they were out of the loop on decision making but had to defend that decision in public and that social care was a mess.

I was left with the impression that Labour had been in power since 2010 and the Cons had just taken over 10 years later.

This is the real problem for Labour, overcoming the MSM fearful of a labour govt.

Mockers three allegations over 25 years for Mr Jenner. That was no set up. Try saying that to his devastated victims when they dropped the charges

Still no link @Spillinteas?

Spillin - all you are trying to do is divert from the successes of Starmer onto failings of our justice system and politics in general.

Nice try.

SPI-M found on February 10 there was a 'sustained transmission' of virus in UK

The actual wording in your link is:

"It is a realistic probability that there is already sustained transmission in the UK, or that it will be become established in the coming weeks."

However, the following week, February 17, the same (sub?) group published this in a similar document;

"16.There were differing views within the group about the likelihood of sustained transmission in the UK both currently and in the near future. Some believe it is a realistic possibility that sustained transmission in the UK will become established in the coming weeks while others believe this likelihood is higher and that there may already be sustained transmission."

"Operational considerations"
"29."Real-time forecasting models rely on deriving information on the epidemic from surveillance." If transmission is established in the UK "there will necessarily be a delay before sufficiently accurate forecasts in the UK are available."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882715/18-spi-m-o-consensus-statement-17022020.pdf

Allegations are just that. The only evidence offered in support of these allegations was the testimony of Carl Beech.

It doesn’t work like that. You provide your own evidence, I’m not going to hunt it out

And I’m not your bloody secretary either if you can’t be arsed to find some thing is quite easy to find don’t expect me to do it for you!

Look, don’t look, believe me or don’t believe me I couldn’t care less!

There were differing views within the group about the likelihood of sustained transmission in the UK both currently and in the near future. Some believe it is a realistic possibility that sustained transmission in the UK will become established in the coming weeks while others believe this likelihood is higher and that there may already be sustained transmission

And how exactly does this help?

You do realise that we are talking about people being sent to care homes from hospital and the guidance was withdrawn in mid March?

And this is mid February?

So I am struggling to see how this helps?

So basically in mid February

Some people in the group believed that sustained transmission will be a possibility in a few weeks

And others believed that there may already be sustained transmission?

What did Johnson say about this when challenged?

n his speech on Sunday, the Prime Minister said that we need to rapidly reverse the awful epidemic in our care homes, but earlier this year, and until 12 March, the Government’s own official advice was—and I am quoting from it:

“It remains very unlikely that people receiving care in a care home…will become infected.”

Yesterday’s Office for National Statistics figures showed that at least 40% of all deaths from covid-19 were in care homes. Does the Prime Minister accept that the Government were too slow to protect people in care homes?
The Prime Minister

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No, Mr Speaker, and it was not true that the advice said that—and actually, we brought the lockdown in care homes ahead of the general lockdown,

So someone has their advice wrong up to mid March?

Spillin - all you are trying to do is divert from the successes of Starmer onto failings of our justice system and politics in general

Nice try

Actually no. I’ve repeatedly said it hope is what the Labour Party needs and that I’ve been impressed but had reservations over the handlings of the JS case. Which is valid.

Then the finger pointed starting so I made comparisons. People like you are the very reason labour is on its arse because you cannot accept that the party was lacking and were at times at fault too. Unless you address these issues people will not come back.

Racism
Historical Child sex abuse allegations
Transgender issues
Women being kicked out of the party
The party turning their back on long standing women’s unions

Your too busy shouting at other parties when you need to get your own house in order

It is also worth noting that in the days before Portcullis House, MPs would share an office usually with two other MPs. Actual child abusers such as Cyril Smith or Peter Morrison were never so insanely stupid as to attempt to bring boys to the palace of Westmister in order to abuse them, and yet Janner was supposed to have done this with nobody noticing. No names apart from Beech. Do we need to look him up?

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Disappointing to see that Keir Starmer has allocated the position of Shadow Minister for Community Cohesion to Naz Shah - given that she liked and retweeted this tweet from an Owen Jones parody account in 2017;

metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/

Mockers 30 victims came forward and 15 of those were represented. He was charged with 22 accounts of sexual abuse but if you want to put your fingers in your eyes and sing ‘lalala’ go a head ...

The issue that matters to most voters will be the economy. Plus that feeling of being left behind.

I will be interested to see how the Conservatives do on that in the next 4 years.

Especially in the left behind places of the North.

I will be interested to see how the Conservatives do on that in the next 4 years most likely dreadfully. They won by default because labour was a mess. It’s shocking really the victory they got.

And I’m not your bloody secretary either hmm if you can’t be arsed to find some thing is quite easy to find don’t expect me to do it for you!

Oh, the irony. You’re asking me to be your secretary! And on that utterly ridiculous note, nothing you say has any credibility whatsoever. At least Clav provides evidence even if it is ad nauseum at times!

"Current understanding of COVID-19 compared with NSRA Pandemic Influenza planning assumptions SAGE secretariat - valid from 26/02/2020."

"Human-to-human transmission outside China has occurred but there is as yet no definitive evidence of a sustained outbreak/epidemic elsewhere."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882716/19-current-understanding-covid-19-compared-with-nrsa-pandemic-influenza-26022020.pdf

Human-to-human transmission outside China has occurred but there is as yet no definitive evidence of a sustained outbreak/epidemic elsewhere

And yet you posted this:

There were differing views within the group about the likelihood of sustained transmission in the UK both currently and in the near future. Some believe it is a realistic possibility that sustained transmission in the UK will become established in the coming weeks while others believe this likelihood is higher and that there may already be sustained transmission

So what do you think would have been the best advice to take?

Given reasonable worst case scenario

@Spillinteas
Perhaps you should start a thread on the failings of the Labour party (historic and current) instead of hijacking this one on starmer and johnson?

Given reasonable worst case scenario

I don't think you want to know the worst case scenario in that link-

"Hospital critical care 328,000 require the highest level of critical care (require intensive care for 10 days)."

"Current estimate 541,200 require ventilation."

"Excess deaths 820,000 (calculated using the CFR of symptomatic cases)."

Well, given that worst case, it makes the decision to allow the transfer of CV suspected patients into care homes even more worrying.

Anecdotally, care homes were threatened with the removal of funding if they refused.
I sincerely hope this isn't true.

Well, given that worst case, it makes the decision to allow the transfer of CV suspected patients into care homes even more worrying.

Do you have any links to either of your points?

Oh, the irony. You’re asking me to be your secretary

no I mentioned two articles I’d read. You asked for proof I told you how to find it for yourself as it was easy enough. Odd. That’s not irony by the way.

Jasjas I can give my opinion about a politician that’s being discussed. And my reasoning behind it. If readers want to challenge that and the discussion moves on that’s not my fault, you don’t control the flow of a thread of what people are allowed to talk about. Being in denial about the Labour Party doesn’t help