Keir Starmer's popularity ratings now higher than Boris Johnson's

[effingterrified]

Shame we don't have an election for ages.

But great to finally have some opposition to this government again, particularly as UK deaths overtake every other country in the world apart from the Us, that has a population 5 times as big.

Thanks @chomalungma. They really don’t know how low to stoop. Just goes to show their desperation.

I hate social media for this. It's impossible to tell what's true

I hate social media for this. It's impossible to tell what's true

Seems that some MPs saw this, wanted to believe it and retweeted without thinking.

If only the USA could find a version of Keir starmer to take Trump apart limb by limb
(Metaphorically of course🙂)

That is awful and seems so desperate!

Desperate is the word. They need to find some dirt to chuck at Starmer but they've got nothing. Meanwhile there's so much dirt to chuck at Johnson it's almost not worth bothering with - he exists in a cloud of dirt like Pig-pen.

It's the only thing they seem to have on him - it's already been mentioned on this thread. Starmer has been entirely transparent about the CPS and any failings in their handling of the Saville case. Just shows how scared they are of him.

I've seen so many people sharing that misleading video on Twitter. Hopefully Sir Keir will threaten legal action and Twitter will take them down

I'm baffled by Boris' letter from yesterday. Even if he was quoting the correct section, the incorrect quote he used still didn't help him. It backed up exactly what Sir Keir's point was . What am I missing? And why are people too thick to pick up on this? People defending Boris saying 'haha, Keir, you thought you had a gotcha moment but you had twisted the words'

So Sir Keir had asked why the advice said it was unlikely anybody in care homes would contract coronavirus. Boris in the commons said "no it's not true that the advice said that".

Boris' comeback in his letter was that Keir had misquoted the government advice, and that what the govenment advice said was actually:

This guidance is intended for the current position in the UK where there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community. It is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected.

There had already been cases and deaths from the community so why did Boris think this was a a comeback?!

How scared they are of him
Good!
Power corrupts, people in power need someone to hold their feet to the fire and make them do the right thing.

It is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected.

I don't get that either - it seems that they were saying that there is because there was no community transmission at that moment, then it is unlikely that people in care homes would be infected?

But surely sending people back from hospitals to care homes was going to lead to community transmission?

Look at the previous ones they were given, that did NOT work! That's why we have been told often "A bad test is worse than no test at all"

This is a CE approved test, developed by Roche in mid April, its not come from a lab no one has heard of and with no prior approval.......

Care homes have been a fuck up, however, I don't think it has been as it has been reported. I'm waiting to see a full report. But for every outraged headline I have seen the report it was based on and not been convinced that the headline was right. Mostly because we don't have enough information yet!

No information? around 45% of all CV deaths have come from care homes and we have the PHE advice that CV was highly unlikely to be a threat to care home residents or staff... which would have been news to my mum (former nursing sister) who wouldn't even go to work in a care home if she was ill.

I think if a tory ex minister criticises a current tory govt, its worth listening too.

But surely sending people back from hospitals to care homes was going to lead to community transmission?

Exactly

it was done either deliberately or with no thought to the consequences, the only game in town is/was to avoid any scenes of the NHS being overwhelmed, a health minister said so this morning "we haven't seen (in the NHS) what happened in italy where care home residents were being treated in car parks.." No Mr Adgar we let them die out the way of the media in a private care home... much better pR for you and your govt.

There had already been cases and deaths from the community so why did Boris think this was a comeback?!

The guidance you have quoted says;
"there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community."

Community transmission wasn't detected until 11th March;

"The first case of coronavirus transmitted within the community has been detected in Scotland."

"Until now cases of the virus had been traced to people who had travelled to affected areas such as northern Italy."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51832143

I noticed this on the Guardian's news feed yesterday - their grammar, not mine;

"(To be fair, the Labour spokesman who sent out the quote to journalists as PMQs was happening sent out the section 1 version, not the section 7 version. But Starmer was quoting from the section 7 version.)"

Labour might have fibbed here of course.

There had already been cases and deaths from the community so why did Boris think this was a comeback?! I to thought that this was not the case... I'll have to go back and re-check the dates and info sources again. But I did that yesterday and thought it was clear!

"there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community

I wonder if sending people back to care homes might just have led to transmission in the care home community?

Percentage change in deaths from any cause by place of death in England and Wales, relative to the week ending 13 March 2020 -

www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/deaths-from-any-cause-in-care-homes-have-increased

Whilst you're here @clainova

What do you think of the actions of the 3 MPs this morning and their retweeting of that video designed to deliberately mislead people?

Clav

Human to human transmission was proven by German scientists in mid january, WHO changed their advice shortly afterwards.

People had died in the UK from CV, we had seen what was happening on cruise ships, so we already knew CV is a highly infectious disease, it beggars belief that advice was given to care homes that they and their residents had nothing to fear from CV and patients transfered from hospitals to care homes.

I thought it was as shit, unprofessional and downright fucked up as any of other political smear campaign/lie - no matter by/about whom!

Which is why I was disppointed in Starmer yesterday. Oddly I am less disappointed in the ministers involved in this, maybe because they have more of a track record for such idiocy!

So out of nowhere and entirely by coincidence, this turns up this morning, shared by three Tory MPs, one a minister, all now deleted but no apology.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-grooming-gangs-video-nadine-dorries-tories-far-right-a9514001.html

So out of nowhere and entirely by coincidence

chomalungma
What do you think of the actions of the 3 MPs this morning and their retweeting of that video designed to deliberately mislead people?

Par for the course in politics I'm afraid - Labour's 'fake nurse', doctored videos of Nigel Farage and 'Norway', Emily Thornberry repeating false quotes by Donald Trump, Paula Sherriff accusing Boris Johnson of using the word 'traitor' (he didn't). Jess Philips, Dianne Abbot, Layla Moran and David Lammy often guilty of retweeting fake news as well.

Starmer also asked in his exchange with johnson, is the difference of 10,000 unexplained excess deaths, in care homes, over and above the CV ones.

This has yet to be answered.

Oddly I am less disappointed in the ministers involved in this, maybe because they have more of a track record for such idiocy!

That's just so stupid, and why people like Trump and Boris get away with behaving badly. Because they have form for idiocy, people don't give a shit no matter what they do

Clavinova so it's acceptable for Tory MPs to deliberately mislead? The person was asking for your opinion on that specific news item, not to quote other news stories.