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Keir Starmer's popularity ratings now higher than Boris Johnson's

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effingterrified · 13/05/2020 10:37

Shame we don't have an election for ages.

But great to finally have some opposition to this government again, particularly as UK deaths overtake every other country in the world apart from the Us, that has a population 5 times as big.

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wokingjames · 14/05/2020 08:09

Labour would still lose the election if it were tomorrow!

Stellaris22 · 14/05/2020 08:18

Boris won't be wanting to step down, he's fought too hard to get the title.

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 08:19

Labour would still lose the election if it were tomorrow

The thing is - we aren't going to have an election tomorrow.

We have to get through this pandemic.
We will have a large hole in our finances.
Decisions will need to be made about how we budget - and I am sure that the Labour party will put their views forward and make sure that people are aware of what they say and what they value.
There may or there may not be a Brexit deal.

Then in a few years time, we will have an election in a very different political landscape.

BlueBrian · 14/05/2020 08:21

More Boris lies exposed.

THE Government admitted to Express.co.uk there will be checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea after Brexit, despite Prime Minister Boris Johnson claiming last year that this would not be the case.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1281964/brexit-news-irish-sea-boris-Johnson-northern-Ireland-withdrawal-deal-delay-trade-talks

Clavinova · 14/05/2020 09:00

More Boris lies exposed.

Is that a new revelation or a rehash of old news?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/boris-johnson-admits-there-will-be-some-customs-checks-after-brexit-ireland-customs-checks

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 09:01

Is that a new revelation or a rehash of old news

Old news.

But hey, just another Boris lie.

QuentinWinters · 14/05/2020 09:26

I don't mind about an election. Its actually enough for me that there is someone holding the government to account. Maybe it will encourage Boris to look into details and not resort to lying as a default. Maybe it will mean a more collaborative approach and better thought through responses - as the Govt know Keir will be all over them if that doesn't happen.

Clavinova · 14/05/2020 09:29

But hey, just another Boris lie.

A bit like Labour's £6,700 savings for every family - well, the high earning, joint income, Southern rail commuters, simultaneously claiming free school meals...

Alsohuman · 14/05/2020 09:49

effingterrified being involved in the beating up of a journalist? You should at least have kept reading until you got to the part where it didn't happen

Whether it happened or not is irrelevant. His involvement at all is testimony to his character. Not really what you want in a PM.

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 09:54

Maybe it will mean a more collaborative approach and better thought through responses - as the Govt know Keir will be all over them if that doesn't happen

The Government is being held to account at the moment - and they are under massive scrutiny.

There are many things that they haven't thought about - until they have been reminded and questioned about - by journalists and the Opposition.Then they have acted.

That's a good thing.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/05/2020 09:55

Whether it happened or not is irrelevant. Pass that by me again... it doesn't matter if it is true or not, that it was said was the important thing?

OK then! Post Truth it is! Sod reality!

jasjas1973 · 14/05/2020 09:59

Skys Beth Rigby nailed it when she said Starmers forensic attention to detail & questioning meets Johnsons flamboyant show boat style....

What does the UK need in a PM ?

Clav quoting Labours old manifesto is as relevant as me quoting the Tory ones from 2019... everything has changed, the costs to the economy and the borrowing will make all of those meaningless.

All that will matter now is how this crisis has/is/will be handled and so far, Johnson has been found lacking.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/05/2020 10:01

There are many things that they haven't thought about - until they have been reminded and questioned about - by journalists and the Opposition.Then they have acted. Don't be daft! Do you really think that a journalist will have come up with something that politicians and scientists the world over won't have thought of?

What often happens is they all clamour for x, y, and z to happen right now even when they have been told it will happen shortly. Then, when it does happen, they go "See, I told them that"

There have been a few posters here doing it too... "I sent a question in to remind them and look...."

There is so much that we now see as having been wrong, much of it was a product of its timing, some of it will have been errors of judgement. We won't know how egregious for a year or so yet. We do need to kep them all accountable, but not in the baying for blood manner some show... like Peston's shouting last night!

jasjas1973 · 14/05/2020 10:13

Do you really think that a journalist will have come up with something that politicians and scientists the world over won't have thought of?

Well, the Roche anti body test has been CE approved for almost 2 weeks, yet we didn't accept that, had to run our own tests, we also didn't learn from Italy and protect our elderly in care homes from CV.

Even Jeremy hunt has said the advice followed has been poor

The scientific advice (only available up until march) is certainly different from many other countries advice and also which the WHO has given, even now the UK is way under the Hancock promise of 100k tests per day and the even greater Johnson promise of 250k tests, subsequently dropped to 200k tests per day.

Plenty of journalists have highlighted things that have gone wrong and then govt's have acted, no reason to think they wont in regard to CV.

Alsohuman · 14/05/2020 10:18

Whether it happened or not is irrelevant. Pass that by me again... it doesn't matter if it is true or not, that it was said was the important thing?

I was talking about the beating, not the conversation. Which clearly did happen because there’s a recording to prove it.

Clavinova · 14/05/2020 10:23

quoting Labours old manifesto is as relevant as me quoting the Tory ones from 2019...

And I don't think rehashing Boris Johnson's misdemeanour's from 30 years ago is going to change December's general election result now.

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 10:24

Don't be daft! Do you really think that a journalist will have come up with something that politicians and scientists the world over won't have thought o

Self employed people and what they would get
Childcare issues re returning to work
People in gig economies
Renters

Sometimes, politicians are known for forgetting about certain groups and need to be reminded - by other politicians or journalists

Clavinova · 14/05/2020 10:25

misdemeanours

Alsohuman · 14/05/2020 10:29

Missing the point as usual @Clavinova.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/05/2020 10:33

@choma I suspect I was talking at cross purposes there! But as many journalists who shouted about it there were Associations and Organisations talking to the relevant government agency - I was part of one of them. Not as exciting as it sounds, I just helped put together our industry response to the first tranche of business support.

Well, the Roche anti body test has been CE approved for almost 2 weeks, yet we didn't accept that, had to run our own tests, we also didn't learn from Italy and protect our elderly in care homes from CV. That's SOP! And they won't deviate from it, we were told that often enough! Look at the previous ones they were given, that did NOT work! That's why we have been told often "A bad test is worse than no test at all"

Care homes have been a fuck up, however, I don't think it has been as it has been reported. I'm waiting to see a full report. But for every outraged headline I have seen the report it was based on and not been convinced that the headline was right. Mostly because we don't have enough information yet! And I am not taking anything JH has to say at face value... didn't when he was Health Secretary either!

As for changing advice and deadlines etc, yes! They have and will continue to change. The world is reacting to CV, we don't know enough to be wholly proactive yet! The WHO advice has changed a few times too!

BaileysforBreakfast · 14/05/2020 11:07

Yappity What is the point in acting as the 'opposition' when we're no where near a general election and in the middle of a pandemic.

Fucking hell. Is that a serious question?

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 11:51

Looks like Tory MPs are scared of Starmer, given their actions this morning.

Not a good idea to potentially libel a lawyer. 2 Tory MPs have deactivated their twitter accounts now.

B1rdbra1n · 14/05/2020 11:56

Cometh the hour cometh the man
The man is Starmer, he makes Boris look like this
m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fRI34Oum0

Alsohuman · 14/05/2020 12:03

What’s happened this morning? What have I missed?

chomalungma · 14/05/2020 12:05

What’s happened this morning? What have I missed

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/uk-coronavirus-live-antibody-test-approved-for-use-latest-updates

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