People living in tourist spots should probably be concerned right now.

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Now that Boris has said people can drive for exercise and leisure, you know they'll flock to seaside's, lakes, peaks, etc.
Which means if they're carriers they'll be spreading the virus to petrol stations pumps, gates, railings etc.

I don't get the logic behind him saying that tbh.

People forget that we are not theme parks or film sets. People actually live and work, (and die), here.

They can’t stay overnight though. That will cut numbers down hugely.

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In the latest government guidelines it doesn’t specifically say that can’t stay overnight. Trying to work out if the rules are now permitting travel to holiday homes. The 3 step plan is completely silent on travel restrictions for reasons other than work and exercise being either continued or lifted.

They were just pretty emphatic on BBC news that they can’t stay overnight.

@wint3randsummer I would be really interested in where they got this from as the guidance doesn’t say this - it’s completely silent - and the Rest of the 3 step plan for the coming months in the guidance doesn’t mention it at all either

Yes it’s odd. It was during a discussion re concern and the reporter said off course they can’t stay over night.

Look on the second home thread. Somebody has linked to the BBC app which says no staying overnight not even for second home owners.

The official figures to our National Park are tens of millions of day trips per annum. Few arrive at, remain in and leave from lonely spots - I agree that these people would pose little or less risk, notwithstanding possible call outs to already depleted emergency services and Mountain Rescue volunteers. Most unfortunately at least pass through a 'honey pot' at least once. Car parks, loos, cafes, pubs and restaurants are closed. From experience since lockdown started, some people will be blocking lanes, passing places and footpaths with their cars, leaving litter, nappies and dog poo, going in to small local village grocery shops for drinks, snacks, picnics, cigarettes, beer and even doing full grocery shops to take home with them. Also from experience since lockdown started, some walkers, cyclists, dog walkers and runners will make social distancing for each other and for local residents and shop workers impossible.

Considerate tourists are welcome where we live in normal times, but no one is welcome at the moment, during this global pandemic. I am a tourist in other areas in normal times with my family, but we will not be travelling at the moment. I'm in England, but I think the devolved 3 nations have got it right just now. Boris has got it wrong.

Hmm that’s really interesting, suspect that may have just been presumption based on the existing rules but I don’t think the government is necessarily saying this is the case now - obviously all accommodation is still closed so perhaps they aren’t bothered about the relatively small number of second home owners if they practice social distancing etc...I don’t know, just guessing!

Maybe he’ll clarify today, was going to give detail on the bigger fines weren’t they.

I hope we do get some more clarification on this point, I’m not travelling until we do - solely for fear of the locals who seem to think they own the entire national park!

It’s definitely not ok going by the other thread.

The advice pertaining to second homes etc is still on the government website so of course it's still valid and not been silently rescinded.

www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-essential-travel-guidance

In some villages, second homes are sadly in large numbers and with holiday homes make up the majority on occasion.

Yes the gov website has now been updated following yesterday’s announcement and reconfirms the advice re second homes

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

I have no experience of residents thinking they own a National Park. I only have experience of residents caring and being highly concerned about the health and well-being of their community and the scarcity of emergency resources, especially during a global pandemic.

I'm seriously concerned for rural communities given the green light has been given to drive an unlimited distance to exercise.

Thankfully, the BMC are pausing before issuing their guidance for responsible hiking, climbing and mountaineering.

Though I'm sure the selfish cohort of weekender types will be ready to pile into the Lake District and other similar places in trainers, no spare layers and feel the need to nip into all the local food shops whilst they're at it.

I’m not travelling until we do - solely for fear of the locals who seem to think they own the entire national park!

Or maybe people are worried because most national parks have very poor healthcare services at the best of times. The last thing they need is a flood of visitors from all over the spot during a global pandemic!

Can country folk please stay away from city and town centres and main transport hubs when they open... we don't want cities being flooded with country folk and their germs.
People live in cities too you know!

Cities not cuties

I have bought and paid for my second home, I appreciate the government advice and I WILL BE STICKING TO IT as I respect the community my home is in, but I don’t appreciate the additional tone from local permanent residents that infers that any Londoners must automatically be bringing CV with us (actually I’ve had it, recovered and since tested negative - so not only is it likely that I can’t get it again but I won’t be carrying it).

Bananasandoranges ... yes presumably it works both ways.

Can country folk please stay away from city and town centres and main transport hubs when they open

Sure (unless it's essential for work). Obviously, more like...

There are loads of nice parks in towns near us we usually go to a lot with our dog (he's a bit past long country walks) - we won't be visiting them for a long time hence I expect, probably even longer than whenever we next get to the lakes or dales. We'd intended to go to London in February to visit museums... it was clear even then that was a bad idea. I very much doubt we'll be doing that until/unless there is a vaccine.

I'd take a guess that the majority of 'country folk' will be behaving likewise.

Moreover all permanent residents seem to forgetting that aside from farming, the economy local to my property is largely tourism. By being so rude to visitors it will hardly encourage them back after CV.

We have not travelled in to cities, cuties or not, since before the lockdown officially began. We are staying local and shopping local. We are shortly going in for hospital appointments, but that is all - it will be straight there and back' no shops, no parks, no petrol stations, no walking around. Everyone I know around here is doing the same, with the exception of one neighbour who has been to the supermarket once in 7 weeks, and other neighbours going in to essential work - eg GP, hospital consultants.