How do I stay calm when so many either have coronaphobia or are enjoying lockdown too much?

[awaywiththecircus]

Out for a walk last night and saw a neighbour who’s furloughed. She took pleasure in saying what a great time she’s having and hoping things carry on like this for a lot longer yet. She doesn’t think she should go back to work anytime soon as she has to meet people face to face and she doesn’t want to catch it. She’s in her 30s, slim and white.
Get back and speak to SIL who won’t be sending dnephew to school if they open in June ‘because children are dying too’ I’m getting so annoyed at the attitude of so many stupid people and it’s like banging my head against a brick wall. I feel like I’ve lost all control of my life and it’s going to carry on forever. Does anyone else know what I mean?

[happyandsingle]

But ppl keep mentioning it on here and in a negative way.

[NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite]

@awaywiththecircus
"Remember people get ill from other viruses as well and we don’t shut the country down."
You are just showing yourself up by making such a stupid statement. Other viruses are not as deadly as this one.

I’ve lost all control of my life and it’s going to carry on forever
Oh don't be so melodramatic. We have some temporary restrictions on how we live our lives. That's all. Get a grip.

[DianaT1969]

I’m getting so annoyed at the attitude of so many stupid people
How do I stay calm...

Other people are not impacting on your circumstances. They may have their own problems. People who are afraid of catching it aren't formulating policy.
Germany lifted restrictions and just had to tighten them again in a few locations. They wouldn't do that if they didn't need to. This isn't a UK conspiracy to thwart you.

[BigChocFrenzy]

"I’m getting so annoyed at the attitude of so many stupid people "

Living in a democracy means you sometimes get outvoted on things you deeply care about, that may seriously affect your life

"How do I stay calm... "

Remember that being outvoted is better than being in a country where there are no elections

[Flaxmeadow]

Are you for real? Being white doesn't make you immune. Is this what people think now? Watch the infection rates rise now because white people think it's just a BAME problem. 83% of the covid19 deaths in this country have been white people

Yes. I too fear the BAME numbers have been misunderstood or are even faulty in some way


Wow!

You seriously believe that we would be seeing the current declining death rate without lockdown?

The declining death rate which in every country starts about 2 to 3 weeks after they started? Pure coincidence?


Yes and not only did the death rates decline but just before the decline they had been on a very steep rise.

I really don't get why people don't understand just how much we needed the lockdowns. The deaths would have risen so steeply without them and made the graphs we see now unrecognisable. The NHS would have been massively overwhelmed

Scary to think what would have happened if that line had kept going up and up and up, with deaths continuing to double everyday for God knows how long

[CaliforniaMountainSnake]

By those statistics, Russian Roulette isn't a scary game because most people live. I'd rather opt out of playing thanks. And by me refusing to play means that I am not forcing my immediate family to play.

Based on a revolver gun having 6 bullet chambers, you would have a 1 in 6 chance of dying. That's a 16.6% chance.

Around 3300 people under 65 have died from covid. About 80% of the total population of 6.65 million are under 65, so about 5.32 million. And around 86% of the people that died had underlying health conditions.

So if your under 65 your chance of dying from covid is 0.062%, when looking at total population size. And assuming you don't have a relevant health condition, your odds drop to 462 in 5.32 million or 0.008%.

So not really comparable to your 1 in six odds of dying in Russian Roulette.

[Vanillamanilla1]

I'm furloughed from 2 jobs , probably lost around £300 a month but my mental health is crumbling , significantly, I've fallen out with most of my family , fucked up majorly in the week but given a choice I'd go back to one of them tomorrow for sure . It's no picnic and absolutely no fault of my own , I wasn't given a choice it was literally ' you're being furloughed tomorrow don't come back until further notice "
I'd take paid work over a loss of £300 a month and crumbling mental health
Never claimed a thing in my life and not really been out of work ever so this is really taking a toll ... I haven't been outside in this glorious weather because I want to stay in bed all day
Not sure if I want to go back to the second job to be honest but that will be the last to reopen so got plenty of time to decide

[CaliforniaMountainSnake]

I really don't get why people don't understand just how much we needed the lockdowns. The deaths would have risen so steeply without them and made the graphs we see now unrecognisable. The NHS would have been massively overwhelmed

Again, there is no evidence that locking down healthy under 65s has actually made a difference. The repercussions of doing so will likely be much worse than covid19.

We may well have been in exactly the same position, but without a distroyed economy and all the additional deaths associated with it and lockdown, by only locking down the old and vulnerable.

We actually need the virus to spread without the number of seriously ill patients overwhelming the nhs. A full lockdown has stopped the spread too much. We are not trying the eradicate the illness. It needs to circulate the population, we will all get it at some point, if not multiple times. We are simply trying to control the speed of the spread.

Like Spanish flu, once it's circulated the population most people will have some sort of immunity, and it will just go into the normal viral rotation killing a few weak and vulnerable each year, and giving others a mild illness.

Like it or not that is how virus spread works and how it is naturally manged within a population. Trying to stop it is like trying to stop a sunami. The old and weak dying from infection is part of the circle of life.

Most academics are now stating the lockdown was not a good idea. We will also have an issue with weakened immune systems once we start mixing again. I would expect lots of strep, colds, flu and tummy bugs in kids as soon as the schools go back.

[FourTeaFallOut]

Most academics???

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

Let me try.

Furloughed = cannot go back to work yet.

What's wrong with making the most of it, enjoying the down time?

It is far better than sitting indoors too scared to go out and watching and hating others who do.

I got the the slim and white thing, in that it only added to your reasons to dislike the woman!

The only way we can get through lockdown is to do the best we can with what we have. Judging others, letting them impinge on our mental health, general state of mind, is self defeating.

[CaliforniaMountainSnake]

@FourTeaFallOut
Try Google, I'm not gonna spend all day linking you articles.

[DianaT1969]

@vanillamanilla1 - I'm really sorry you are feeling so bad and it's totally understandable. But if you can manage just one thing each day, please have a shower and sit out in the sunshine. Both really do help lift the mood. Having a shower reminds you that you are worth the effort and in this time of not hugging or touching people, it's like a massage. Sunshine and nature will help you reconnect with life and boost your vitamin D. A long walk each day too and you'll be in a better position to slot back into normal life when the time comes. 💐

[WinWinnieTheWay]

You've got to live and let live.

I'm somewhere in the middle of being positive and enjoying time with my family, but then waking in the dead of night with worry and fear.

This is affecting us all differently and no one is "right". Most of us are doing our best.

[LittleCandle]

I'm furloughed. I am enjoying the time to decompress at home. I am also trying very hard not to think about the possibility that my job will be gone at the end of this. The company I work for have said that we could be furloughed until the end of June. Two shops have already closed and some jobs lost at head office.

If sticking my head in the sand keeps me going at the moment, who are you to judge how anybody else keeps themselves sane? Wind your neck in and concentrate on yourself.

[WhentheRabbitsWentWild]

I am a lot older than you but well said @TheOwlandThe .
Bravo.

[tenterden]

Two adults make comments/decisions about their lives which have zero impact on yours yet result in you banging your head against a brick wall. Why? Are you jealous of one or both? I can't think of any other reason.

I agree with this. Your neighbour isn't coming up with "excuses" about her fears around face to face work with the public. You just decided to completely invalidate how she feels. Nice. How does the date your SIL sends her DC back to school affect you?

If you are having such issues staying calm you should contact your GP and see if they can help.

[MsSafina]

I have relatives in Spain and Italy. The lockdown has been far worse there. Not even allowed out for exercise, only to shop. Most of them live in flats so it's extra bad.

[Bollss]

There is a serious lack of empathy on here isn't there?

Op is clearly fucking struggling and you lot think it's appropriate to come on here and tell her white people are dying too? She's not safe? You'd have to be mad to send your kids back to school in June?

Jesus fucking Christ.

I feel sorry for the people who know you all in real life.

[allyjay]

I feel sorry for furloughed folk really. They didn't choose this and many of them must be worried sick about their jobs and incomes. Ones like your neighbour are being very shortsighted and insensitive I feel. So many people have lost so much due to this shitty virus, their lives, loved ones, jobs, money, homes, themselves. It's pretty fucking crap to be bragging about how much you're loving it really when some have lost so much.

It won't go on forever Op. It can't. Things will slowly start getting back to a new normal soon. to everyone who has suffered during this.

[sleepingpup]

The old and weak dying from infection is part of the circle of life.

oh fuck off. You bounce from science to cliche.

what age is appropriate to die in the circle.?

Diabetics, asthmatics and people with managed conditions who do not expect to die soon are they in this circle?

BAME population who have higher risk - are they in this life circle?

HCP workers with higher exposure are they in the circle?


"that is how a virus is naturally manged within a population. "

Weakest to the wall. Survival of the fittest and boom, herd immunity.

New Zealand saw that idea off pretty quickly and all these academics didn't pipe up quick enough to stop 100 or so countries going into lockdown.

[Vanillamanilla1]

@DianaT1969
Thanks for the . I know I've got to try and I know I can't carry on like this indefinitely
It's a testing time for us all

[CaliforniaMountainSnake]

New Zealand saw that idea off pretty quickly and all these academics didn't pipe up quick enough to stop 100 or so countries going into lockdown.

New Zealand have fucked themselves.

What do they do now? Close their borders for the rest of time? Stop all imports?

They will either have to close themselves off from the rest of the world forever, or get the virus at some point.

And yes I agree not enough people voiced opposition to the lockdown. Possibly because many good scientists waited until they had more info rather than making snap judgments. We were going to follow the Swedish system initially, but didn't due to public panic. So we did have people advising against a lockdown.

Now we have more info lots of people are talking out against the lockdown.

And whether you like it or not viruses kill people, mainly the weak and old. I never said it was fair and just. It's just life. You can live in your silly little bubble where everyone lives forever, but that's not reality. We can't shut the world down to stop people dying. We will have to ride this virus out, lots of people will die and then balance will be regained.

Herd immunity is not a political policy. Its a natural process. And believe it or not we are not above nature.

[sleepingpup]

You can live in your silly little bubble where everyone lives forever, but that's not reality. We can't shut the world down to stop people dying.

Who said anything about 'living forever'?

In my "silly little bubble"ie that is out here in Real Life there is insulin and vaccines and medicines and heart transplants and premature baby units and ICU and immunotherapy. And actual science, where nature is crossed everyday.

The 'natural ' way . Hilarious.

What do you do apart from sitting behind a computer quoting forth out of interest?

"public panic" No one's panicking around here.

[sleepingpup]

"Possibly because many good scientists waited until they had more info rather than making snap judgments."

😂😂😂

Turns out the world is not a test tube you can watch in a lab. There was a time imperative and judgements had to be made. And guess what, a 100 or so countries made the "snap" judgement to go into lockdown.

Love how you are calling out who are the "good scientists ". Are you a scientist advising a government?

[DianaT1969]

@Californiamountainsnake - you say that New Zealand have to shut their borders forever. Why? They could trade and open travel with Australia with continued testing. Quarantine new arrivals. Open borders further when there are proven antiviral drugs and potentially a vaccine. We don't know if there is immunity after having it yet. Various mutations could keep coming our way - at least NZ will know there are infections due to low numbers and testing. Plus they gained time to source PPE.